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  • but that type of development isn’t possible anymore.

    There simply isn’t the available land

    You should read about that history again. Land costs weren't the prohibitive factor, it was that there just wasn't enough housing being built.

    Not to mention building condos cost a lot more per square foot than detached houses.

    This one is A) doubtful but B) more than a little misleading, condos are much smaller than detached homes, so the people per square foot works out cheaper.

    But yeah, this won't get everyone detached homes in the middle of a big city like Vancouver, like I already said. What it does do is allow us to do is build more multi unit places (hardly a factor in the post war efforts) as well as more detached homes in less populated areas (in BC, my goodness, we have some dirt cheap land a few hours away from Vancouver.)

    I dunno, you've just made a lot of assertions about what will happen but none of it seemed particularly based on facts. I'm not going to say I'm confident in the government but I certainly like our odds more than I did a year ago.

  • Unfortunately, people like you keep getting their hopes up on policies that have no historical record of working.

    Feel free to share an example of a country with a similarly ambitious housing plan in the last 20 years.

    Canada certainly hasn't had one.

    I fins the notion of "well, we tried something about a third as comprehensive and it didn't work" to be pretty silly. It's like folks who go to the gym a few times over a month, don't see results and decide they'll never be in shape. Some things require a significant effort.

    I'm not saying there's a guarantee housing prices will drop but to declare they can't because "a government said they'd try, they didn't do much and nothing happened so nothing will ever happen" is nonsense.

    that have no historical record of working. Building more homes has never dropped prices anywhere in the world.

    Edit:

    that have no historical record of working. Building more homes has never dropped prices anywhere in the world.

    Like an ignorant goof, I forgot to mention, that it has worked, in Canada! In fact, parts of the current government's approach (pre approved design, emphasis on modular fabrication etc) are taken straight of the playbook from the last time we did this, after the second world war. For you to believe the statement above means that you probably don't know about this neat period of history, you can learn about it here!

  • As much as we rightly villify ICE, this just doesn't make much sense.

    Even operationally, you'd have to assume they have guys just sitting around waiting. And then, for some reason someone alerts them to an international flight landing so they bust through the apart to detain people who had never intended to visit?

    What I could see happening is sure, you have to use a motel or something while they figure out alternate arrangements, the hospitality industry being legendary for a not entirely legal workforce means there's a chance you get raided there? But this is stretching the bounds of credulity pretty gosh darned far.

  • Hey fellow oldie!

    I feel, the song is similar but much louder and more coherent this time. Harper really had nothing besides some mucking about at the margins, Trudeau tried a bit but like a lot of things he tried, didn't get all that much done. This one at least feels like a fairly coherent, federal through to municipal approach on the government side, with a bunch of private sector ideas.

    That being said, I think the key is what you mean by affordable. I am hopeful they can lay the foundations to get housing back to something like just pre-pandemic (and hopefully just keep going!), which still wasn't great for many people. I'm lucky enough that I think I'd be okay to buy something I want in that scenario.

    But overall, yeah I think housing standards are just going to be different for us than our parents and similarly, between us and the youngings coming up now. I live in Vancouver, it's almost doubled in size since 1990! The single detached houses a 10 minute bike ride from downtown that a middle class couple could easily afford? Probably not happening again.

  • Nope. Why do you ask?

  • Housing productivity hasn’t improved at all over the last 50 years, in fact it’s gone down

    Yeah, that's why it takes something bold like putting together a new agency tasked with fostering innovative new companies. Those are the folks currently contracted to build the 4,000 affordable homes in the first wave.

    Voters would actually be quite unhappy with a 20% drop in prices that occurs too quickly and doesn’t have an external event to blame.

    Remember, the time scale is 2035, which should have two elections beforehand.

    A chunk of voters would be happy, another would be unhappy.

    The Conservatives would eat his breakfast in the next election if he dropped the value of homes by 10% before then.

    That's a fight almost any politician would love to have. "We're here making things affordable for the middle class and our children and you're complaining that they can finally buy homes?"

    the liberals launched a “National Housing Strategy in 2015”… it’s 10 years later and things are just significantly worse.

    I don't find this argument particularly persuasive. Many governments have tried many things, that doesn't mean nothing can work. This is a significantly larger. more concerted push at the problem than anything that came before. (And y'know, presumably won't get interrupted by a pandemic.)

    Most rural houses are effectively worthless and practically ghost towns

    This happens everywhere, not unique to Japan or even demographic decline.

  • Except the CMHC said you would need to double the housing starts between when they released that report and 2035 for that to happen. The report came out last year. Did we double housing starts in 2025? Nope. Will we double it in 2026? Also no.

    They released an updated version this year, here's the CBC write up on it. Essentially, 4.8 million homes are needed by 2035 to get housing costs back to 2019.

    I assume Carney can do basic math. If you watch the interview in the post, he notes that we're only going to have a small number initially as we start scaling up new processes, companies and the like.

    10 years to double the number of workers, and that assumes not a single existing one retires in that period.

    Sure but again, part of the push is to move into new ways that require fewer workers etc. That's the push with modular/prefabs.

    it wasn’t affordable in 2019 either

    Like I said, totally fair. For me, 2019 levels are workable. I know that's a very lucky position etc.

    That being said, all the factors and processes that get the country to 4.8 million by 2035 don't suddenly stop. Coupled with population decline or maybe staying roughly steady, that means prices should continue to fall slightly.

  • How many houses would you need to build in order to have prices drop by 20%?

    According to the CMCH, double the housing starts. Which is what the government is aiming to do.

    Current housing prices aren’t reflective of their availability, they’re mostly reflective of their value as investments (including for single home owners). Until that part is removed from their pricing, they will never become affordable again.

    This would always have been true, housing didn't suddenly become investments in 2020.

    And yet, houses were at 2019 prices in 2019, regardless of their ability to act as investments. And that happened without any of the radical proposals outlined. Why would these proposals not have been necessary in 2019 to hit 2019 prices but suddenly are required regardless of how much we build?

  • I'm curious, what makes you so confident in that prediction?

    I'm not saying I'm confident it will happen, but it seems like a reasonably coherent and significant push at the problem. They're investing in more tradespeople, being a guarantor for new technologies and approaches and attacking it from every possible regulatory angle, I don't really have much to fault with it.

    (Admittedly, I could live with 2019 "affordability" which isn't true of everyone maybe even most.)

  • Carney has made me, well, not optimistic but certainly less gloomy about my chances of buying a proper home.

    Which is better than I've felt about it in almost 2 decades or so.

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  • Still, 15k invested now while OP is 19 could be helpful in a decade.

  • For those who won't read the article, this is an article from 2001. (Similar thing actually played out, albeit the White House not the FCC, leaned on ABC who dropped Maher after some 9/11 comments/joke.)

  • No, just a reasonable assumption of risk and reality.

    If we're going by nonsense at the outer bounds, trump could just nuke whateber country tomorrow. Oh, you're still going about your life? Guess you have faith in nazis.

  • Because laws governing the United States actions within the States are very different than international law.

    There are actually mechanisms, enforcement, oversight and so on. ICE taking control of the FAA would at least be a lengthy court battle first. It's why Trump hasn't been able to fire Lisa Cook, why Kilmar was brought back etc.

    There is no similar restraint on American military actions outside of America.

  • Why can't they?

  • Do you mean flights that fly directly to Mexico from Canada?

    Otherwise, you should be fine. ICE doesn't have jurisdiction over the FAA and can't just order random planes down. Especially planes from one country to another with no intervening stops in America. What on Earth would the rationale be? "Hey, citizens of other countries who had no intention of entering the US, we've kidnapped you and now you're stuck here!"

    There are plenty of valid concerns and fears about America but having them ground international, non US bound flights would be a nonsensical international incident with 0 gain.

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