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From https://x.com/WiphalaF/status/1902285589149323408, quoting a french parliament’s member, “obviously” accused of antisemitism since all jews are apparently genocidal and criticizing Netanyahu’s greed for more territories is the same as hating the jewish religion, etc.
Unbelievable that jewish celebrities are supporting the instrumentalization of an antisemitism that they’re supposedly really fearing(, e.g., among many, many, many more examples).
FAFO is an “argument” that could obviously be used to justify October 7th.
What would anyone do faced with a rampant israeli colonization that nothing can stop, not even u.n. decisions or neighbour’s violent threats ? They could be given an equivalent territory than the Sacred Lands ; or should unite instead with Israel, sharing peacefully the same territory, eventually with two governments and civil laws ?
Our mainstream medias are very biased, but surprisingly not as unilateral/biased as expected/usual, though.
Lemmygrad is a refuge for those who don’t want to argue on other communities, so i won’t insist.
(and your argument isn’t less extreme than zionists{jews or not} desiring Palestine’s destruction ; but, even it it’s far from the only alternative from my point of view, suffice to say that you wouldn’t mind an Israel whose borders would be within the u.s.a. or the e.u.)
How is the argument of “settlers, get out” the same as “kill all arabs?”
One is an occupying force, the other is not.
Don’t try to both-sides occupation, apartheid, and genocide.
Would you be saying the same to Algerians who wanted their occupiers out? The occupation of Algeria lasted just as long as ‘israel’ has existed.
You won’t find any anti-palestinian here, so don’t mistake me for someone else, we’re on the same side, but i’m just believing in an issue that would satisfy both Israel and Palestine, while you believe that we’re forced to choose a side.
Now it’s up to me to prove that such alternative(s) exist. I’ve already discussed it in greater length on Lemmygrad and other social medias, and i’m a bit too busy&lazy to do a mega-synthesis here, at least this evening, but i believe that there are other options.
Why should any solution at all satisfy Israel in any way? You do not prosecute a crime by finding what works best for both victim and perpetrator, this is making a false equivalence.
Because you can stop the crime by resolving its causes.
What’s the cause? It’s settlers. No more settlers no more causes.
Their desire to have a state. Feel free to consider that desire illegitimate, i’m done with that discussion on my part.
Insane shit. You are gonna say they just want a state when they killed about a hundred children yesterday. Israel does not want to coexist with Palestine. They have broken every treaty amd agreement and they will continue to do so. This would be like if I give half your house to and make you cohabit with someone who wants to murder you and completely take over your home then will probably snipe your neighbour. He just wants a house bro.
A Jewish state could probably manage to peacefully coexist with the Arab states there but Israel is less a Jewish state and more a vector of Western genocide and imperialism that just happens to be Jewish out of historical convenience.
If you think there is any legitimacy at all in a settler’s desire to have their very own ethnostate, you have a lot to learn. Just as a slaver desires to own people, or the Nazis desired to dominate the world, we do not entertain these desires as if they are somehow valid against the very basic need for justice for the people they have oppressed.
How does genocide and settler colonialism help them reach that? Armenia was not built through genocide (of natives) and colonialism; are you saying that all states need to pursue settler colonialism in order to be established?
I know you are french, but you need to understand that your perspective is (unfortunately!) shaped by your country’s history of colonialism. No, the cause is not that they want a state; it is that they want to exterminate the natives and take over an EXISTING state.
If they wanted coexistence then NONE of this would be happening.
This is an expression of idealism. I have a desire to own a house, it doesn’t mean that I will steal it from my neighbor at gunpoint. The desire (an idea) is the manifestation of material conditions, and the conditions are that zionists are in a position to settle land. How do you remove the idea of having a state for zionists while they are able to enforce that state?
The genocide we see now is a direct expression of this material basis. Settler-colonialism has to push someone out to settle on their land.
So surely the first step is dismantling the state of “Israel” and after that work will happen on Judaism; some of it probably organically.
But the way you say that we are “free” to consider that desire illegitimate quite clearly means that you don’t consider it illegitimate, and you are thereby defending the genocide that is going on as we speak. You may not think you are, but you are giving arguments to zionists for continuing the genocide. That’s exactly what they say - “we just want a state”
They already had a a fucking state. That’s where they fucking came from. That’s where all colonizers come from. People in an existing state, moving into a new one, by taking it forcibly from the existing inhabitants. Stop defending fucking fascists and genocide or get the fuck out.
The fact that the colonialist entity was made out of the land of others, instead of a piece of the coast of Germany, for example, show very well that it’s creation from the start was an act of colonialism, and as such should not exist. Settling them anywhere in colonial countries like in the Americas or Australia, for example, doesn’t look like a good option either as those countries have their own problems to be worked on still regarding colonialism.
As for the specifics of the destruction of the colonialist entity, the people who live there, excluding the ones that have taken direct part of the genocide of the Palestinian people, should be allowed to live their lives. If that would be in Palestine, in other lands or wherever is something for them and the Palestinians to decide though.
I don’t understand, wouldn’t that be colonizing Germany ?
And european colonizers can go back to Europe, but israelis can’t go back in a country where they’ll speak hebrew and have their own laws, which is why i mentioned the re-creation of Israel inside the west(, that’d be in the worst&‘less imaginative’ case i.m.o.)
(i’m not criticizing your desire to de-westernize the world though, and would also like much more diversity among nations than currently)
speaking hebrew and their own laws, on the cost of other’s land and lives?
They can speak Hebrew with each other in prison don’t worry. That’s where most “Israelis” will end up. You know that right? They all have to serve in the IOF and all of them are criminals.
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