cross-posted from: https://scribe.disroot.org/post/1873878
The Chinese government is maintaining severe restrictions, conditions, and controls on Uyghurs who seek to travel abroad in violation of their internationally protected right to leave the country, Human Right Watch said today. The government has permitted Uyghurs in the diaspora to make restricted visits to Xinjiang, but with the apparent aim of presenting a public image of normalcy in the region.
Since the start of the Chinese government’s abusive Strike Hard Campaign in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in 2016, Chinese authorities have arbitrarily confiscated passports of Uyghurs in the region and imprisoned Uyghurs for contacting people abroad. While the authorities are now allowing some Uyghurs to apply for or are returning passports for travel internationally, they exert tight control over those who travel.
“The modest thaw in China’s travel restrictions has allowed some Uyghurs to briefly reunite with loved ones abroad after having no news for years, but the Chinese government’s travel restrictions are still used to oppress Uyghurs in Xinjiang and in the diaspora,” said Yalkun Uluyol, China researcher at Human Rights Watch. “The Chinese government continues to deny Uyghurs their right to leave the country, restrict their speech and associations when abroad, and punish them for having foreign ties.”
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Hexbear and ML in hysterical applause.
Clearly CIA propaganda, they’d criticise a western country
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/12/australia-rights-failings-tarnish-regional-credibility
So what is a reliable source for China?
Yes, this is true! Palestine? I don’t know what you’re talking about.
This stuff is obviously bullshit, and funded by the west. Decrying China for being anti-muslim and putting people into “concentration camps”, while simultaneously supporting the illegal settler colonial operation in Palestine
Are you denying these restrictions exist entirely? I agree with you that it sucks that we’re only hearing about it as a distraction from atrocities our own governments are committing, but do you think it’s not happening at all?
Yea, I am. There used to be more controls about this stuff, but that was because China literally had lots of bombings from these Islamic fundamentalist groups. You can’t expect them to just let this stuff go and not have anything done.
That is not to say they could have done better and I’m not critical, but China has taken the best approach to this (which the Islamic Cooperation Community supported) which is re-education and re-integration with society.
They just continue to harp on these points with anecdotal evidence and no concrete sources. It is bullshit.
I appreciate you taking the time to answer.
The site clearly has an entire section about Palestine. Unfortunately more than one bad thing can happen at once.
But Palestine has heaps of evidence, this does not. Only anecdotes from questionable sources. They keep harping on about this to try to foment dissent and tear China apart.
They have an entire section of the website dedicated to Palestine. The button is right there at the top. They published two articles about it yesterday. This is the most ridiculous whataboutery I have ever seen
HRW’s job is to investigate human rights abuses. Their job is not to only report on well-documented human rights abuses. They investigate to improve the documentation of those cases.
Yes, because Palestine is an undeniable issue that is as obvious as gravity, whereas this Uyghur stuff isn’t. Them reporting on a true genocide doesn’t stop them from being a western mouthpiece to parrot propaganda against their enemies.
Here’s some reading and videos about the Uyghur stuff:
“It’s ridiculous that HRW is using interviews with Uyghurs as evidence. Also, here’s two interviews with Uyghurs as my evidence.”
The first video is of a guy who was and idk if he still is a top source on the Xinjiang “human rights abuses” stuff. The second being another one of these “reliable sources”. I put the videos there to show how disingenuous these “sources” are.
The HRW article doesn’t have anything to prove these “sources” to be true. And so you can infer who is really trying to tell a lie.
Also if you still believe this stuff, HRW themselves have condemned Muslim countries who have investigated the conditions in Xinjiang, found nothing wrong and supported China.
Only anecdotes from questionable sources
What is a good source about China?
Alot of the time the west uses Adrian Zenz (who you can read his Wikipedia page on why he is not trustworthy and is doubted even among European academic circles)
Here’s some reading and videos about the Uyghur stuff:
I asked for reliable sources about China, and all you get is a propaganda site and two YT links. Honestly?
Propaganda site? And what you think HRW is totally impartial and unbiased? If you don’t want to read the article go and look at the sources then. They’re there for a reason.
And you think because it’s a YouTube link that it’s somehow untrustworthy? Where else do you want to find videos online? Dailymotion?
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Are a few Syrian fighters such a threat to one of the world’s most powerful militaries that it justifies blanket travel restrictions on 26,000,000 people? I wouldn’t want to see, for example, the UK banning travel in and out of its areas with high Muslim populations just because some people in Syria called for the overthrow of the UK
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Consider that most people in Xinjiang are not affected by the specific travel restrictions
This is very much at odds with the text of the article unless your position is that most people in Xinjiang would never leave Xinjiang anyway, and also most of the diaspora would not travel to Xinjiang. Barring them from travelling to countries with large Muslim populations seems particularly notable given the importance of making a pilgrimage to Mecca within the religion
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The restrictions only apply to “sensitive” countries, not all countries with large Muslim populations.
Saudi Arabia is on the list according to HRW https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/09/10/eradicating-ideological-viruses/chinas-campaign-repression-against-xinjiangs
I mean, how could those restrictive laws have passed in the first place if most people in the region were against them?
The answer to this is very obvious, is it not? Xinjiang is part of China, and as such Xinjiangese law is subject to Chinese law
But besides that, Uyghurs are not an outright majority of the population of Xinjiang. The Xinjiang government absolutely could - hypothetically - pass laws that every Uyghur opposes and retain majority support.
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I mean, how could those restrictive laws have passed in the first place if most people in the region were against them?
As someone already said, the answer is obvious but you may have (intentionally?) ignored a simple fact. The Chinese government pursues a dictatorial policy, it doesn’t matter “if most people in the region were against them” as people have no say.
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The best thing you can do for yourself is to avoid the communities where you get such stuff.
