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nekandro@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago

Zelenskyy straight-up said Ukraine is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid

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Zelenskyy straight-up said Ukraine is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid

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nekandro@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago
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In his starkest warning yet, President Zelenskyy said that "Ukraine will lose the war" to Russia if Congress does not act to send it more aid.
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    Gaddafi’s is just sad. Such a terrible decision to give up their nuclear deterrence and trust western governments.

    Nukes are why the DPRK hasn’t been invaded again, and why it hasn’t ended up Libya is now.

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      Sad, but true

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      Ukraine gave up their nukes in exchange for peace with Russia, then got invaded by Russia.

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        they weren’t ukrainian nukes. they were soviet nukes and ukraine didn’t have the money or expertise to take care of them.

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          I wouldn’t put it that way exactly. Ukraine was a constituent part of the USSR, and eastern Ukraine was a major industrial hub. I don’t know the history of it, but perhaps giving the nukes to Russia was part of the deal made in the Post-Soviet transition in Ukraine.

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            Russia inherited the Soviet military for the most part. It’s unlikely that Ukraine could have used those nukes in the first place.

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        Ukraine was very much at peace with Russia as it always had been before the 2014 coup and the resulting fascist gov that didn’t care about such agreements.

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          The fascist government is the one invading Ukraine, my guy.

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            How many times are we going to go over this, my guy?

            • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
            • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
            • Truthout, 2015: The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made
            • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
            • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
            • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
            • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
            • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
            • The Conversation, 2022: Ukraine war follows decades of warnings that NATO expansion into Eastern Europe could provoke Russia
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                there are fascists in Ukraine, like in a lot of countries

                Most countries don’t have a fascist government that violently suppresses the left. Israel and Ukraine are about the only ones (and maybe Modi’s India to an extent?) right now.

                It’s not about a “right” to invade. The point is this was the only option left with a coup gov that doesn’t care about prior peace agreements, kills people for resisting (like Eastern Ukrainians in DPR & LPR and Crimeans), and is being blocked by the US and UK from negotiating.

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                    Eastern Ukrainians “resisting” are Russian soldiers

                    Lol can you even read the comments you’re replying to?

                    • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
                    • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
                    • Truthout, 2015: The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made
                    • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
                    • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
                    • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
                    • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
                    • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
                    • The Conversation, 2022: Ukraine war follows decades of warnings that NATO expansion into Eastern Europe could provoke Russia

                    This is fucking “everyone is Hamas” tier shit

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                    Lmfao username checks out with how fucking burger-brained this comment is

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                    Do you work for the Atlantic Council or the Council on Foreign Relations or something? 🤡

                    amerikkka nato-cool eu-cool france-cool

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                Russia has no right to carry out a genocide—any more than Ukraine had the right to carry one out on people of the Donbas for almost a decade—but then again Russia isn’t carrying out one, despite what Five Eyes governments & corporate media insist.

                I will concede that there are a few fascist elements in Russia, but they aren’t in power, and one of their most well-known figures (to Westerners at least) recently died.

                • 2007: Video: Alexei Navalny Compares Muslims to Cockroaches
                • BBC, 2021: Amnesty [International] strips Alexei Navalny of ‘prisoner of conscience’ status
                • Workers World, 2024: Who was Alexei Navalny? A violent white supremacist and fascist on U.S. payroll

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                Neither Navanly nor the Azov Battalion are aberrations: the US has been maintaining fascist cells in Europe our whole lives, as a backstop against Europe ever gaining a real independence from the US, or worse, becoming socialist.

                The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It


                Edit to add:

                In particular, the US doesn’t want Europe and Russia to develop closer ties, because it doesn’t want the “Eurasian landmass” to ever cohere, because it would become too self-sufficient and powerful for the US to control. Zbigniew Brzezinski laid this theory out when the Soviet Union fell. That’s why the US tried to convince Europe not to build Nord Stream 2 and then later not to turn it on, why Biden said he would “bring an end to it” if Russia invaded, and why they ultimately did bring an end to it.

                The US also very much wants regime change or balkanization in Russia so it can resume its neocolonial plundering of it, which started under Yeltson and ended under Putin.

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                  Holy cow,

                  In the 1990s he formulated the strategic case for buttressing the independent statehood of Ukraine, partially as a means to prevent a resurgence of the Russian Empire,[citation needed] and to drive Russia toward integration with the West, promoting instead “geopolitical pluralism” in the space of the former Soviet Union. He developed “a plan for Europe” urging the expansion of NATO, making the case for the expansion of NATO to the Baltic countries.

                  Any ideas where I can find out more about Brzenzinski’s plans after the fall of the Soviet Union?

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                    The CIA gives his book away for free: https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/36/36669B7894E857AC4F3445EA646BFFE1_Zbigniew_Brzezinski_-_The_Grand_ChessBoard.doc.pdf

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                  Why are you citing Navalny (granted, fascist) and not Dugin, Rogozin and Prokhanov who are actually close to the current government?

                  And let’s not forget about Putin’s obsession with Ilyin, who, and I don’t want to put words incorrectly here, is a literal fascist, like a canonical one.

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                    I don’t know why people keep bring up Dugin:

                    His right-hand man is Aleksandr Dugin

                    Bullshit. Dugin is a Western chauvinist fascist who is ideologically aligned with the Ukrainian coup government and the Ukrainian Nazis who terrorized the Donbas for almost a decade before Russia intervened two years ago. In what universe is he Putin’s “right-hand man”?

                    The US would absolutely love to have a regime change that put Dugin in power, because he would invite the American shock therapists back in to finish the plundering that they started in the ’90s under Yeltsin, and that Putin put an end to.

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      Did Libya have a substantial development program?

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        Gaddafi was a leader in the liberation struggle against the Global North’s imperialism.

        It was Gaddafi who was sodomized with a bayonet. Wikipedia: Killing of Muammar Gaddafi

        The NTC initially claimed Gaddafi died from injuries sustained in a firefight when loyalist forces attempted to free him, although a video of his last moments shows rebel fighters beating him and one of them sodomizing him with a bayonet before he was shot several times.

        In typical US fashion, it fabricated atrocities as a pretext for regime change: 2011 Libyan rape allegations

        Three women, loads of lies and the destruction of Libya

        Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and Samantha Power were the three principal advocates of war against Libya in 2011, setting the North African nation on a free fall ever since. Demonstrations broke out in some Libyan cities against the government of late Muammar Gaddafi in February 2011, in what became known as the “Arab Spring” that engulfed the region. However, Libya’s promised spring turned into a destructive autumn during which Gaddafi was murdered on 20 October, 2011, and Libya was left anguishing in lawlessness, courtesy of the three women.

        The US does this all the time; it’s still doing it. The blueprint of regime change operations

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          Fight for “democracy” /s

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        subjects

        You mean insurgents funded by the west after having them give up their nuclear deterrence because it posed a major threat to capitalism/imperialism in the region.

        Libya went from one of the poorest countries in the world to having the highest human development index in Africa by 2010 under the socialist government. Housing and healthcare were made a human right and youth literacy reached pretty much 100%.

        Yes, I’ll have sympathy for the country that was basically extorted by the west through brutal sanctions into disarming itself so it could be invaded and destroyed, as any human should.

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          He made it better for Arabs, everyone else was treated horribly. But hey I guess being a dictator is fine as long as the people you like are being treated okay and fuck everyone else. How very Modi of you.

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            He made it better for Arabs, everyone else was treated horribly.

            Who was everyone else?

            But hey I guess being a dictator

            Libya in Gaddafi’s time was more democratic than the United States has ever been. Libya: How To Kill a Nation

            When Five Eyes governments and corporate media tell you that someone’s a “dictator,” they do it to manufacture consent for regime change.

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              Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

              Libya: How To Kill a Nation

              manufacture consent

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            [citation needed]

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