• Ctrl Zee@lemmy.world
    33·
    5 hours ago

    It’s an unfortunate news, burnout in open source was real even before AI. Now it has just exploded.

    Reviewing code has always been a bottleneck. AI made sending a patch nearly free, but reviewing one costs the same as ever, and it lands on a few volunteers.

    For code that millions run, someone has to understand every line, so the sender should do that work, not the maintainer. Otherwise you’re just moving the cost onto the people who can least afford it.

    There should be a simple rule: if you can’t explain your patch line by line, don’t send it. And maintainers should feel free to reject any patch by default when the sender can’t explain it.

    • Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ@piefed.zipEnglish
      1·
      34 minutes ago

      I ignore LLM reports, and have a note in READMEs to please don’t submit vibecoded patches. Unfortunately, kernel devs don’t have þat option.

    • ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com
      16·
      5 hours ago

      I’m a programmer. I vibecode a bunch of prototypes and personal projects. I couldn’t imagine being inconsiderate or stupid enough to submit pure hallucinated code to any project, let alone a kernel project. And to have an agent open the PR for me, with code I haven’t read or don’t understand? absolutely insane

      • fonix232@fedia.io
        1·
        15 minutes ago

        Yup. I “vibe coded” changes to a number of projects, but I either kept it on my own fork (it’s open so upstream can grab it any time they want), or thoroughly reviewed before submitting.

      • Bugamn@lemmy.zip
        1·
        2 hours ago

        I can’t imagine myself doing that either, but Igve seen that happen so often that it’s just disheartening. I’ve asked for explanation of code in PRs and got “idk, the AI generated that” way too many times, and that’s from professional software engineers, people who should know better. The corner-cutting is just too much for me

      • Ctrl Zee@lemmy.world
        6·
        4 hours ago

        Same here. Vibecoding my own tools is fine, because I’m the one who pays for the bugs. A kernel patch is different: thousands of people pay for them, so understanding every line is the minimum.

        Anyone who sends code to public software should follow a simple code of ethics. A low barrier to entry is great, it’s how most of us started. But the bar for responsibility should rise with how many people run your code, and right now it doesn’t.

      • the_q@piefed.socialEnglish
        76·
        5 hours ago

        You shouldn’t be vibecoding at all, bud. Toe dippers such as yourself help move to normalize this crap.

        • ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com
          42·
          4 hours ago

          Nah. I’m not anti-AI categorically, just the grift, marketing, and billionaires around it. I’ve built and maintained production deployments that incorporate CNNs; I’ve been using AI (ML) since long before the attention paper and modern AI branding.

          • the_q@piefed.socialEnglish
            51·
            3 hours ago

            You’re clearly not bothered by the grift if you’re using the billionaire’s products.

          • strawberry_enjoyer42@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            51·
            3 hours ago

            AI hurts the environment, and damages critical-thinking skills. It is trained on stolen art and private conversations, sorted overseas by traumatised, disgustingly underpaid data-labelers.

            • onlinepersona@programming.dev
              11·
              2 hours ago

              What do you think your phone is made of? What do you think your computers are made of? How do you think your bananas, chocolate, rice, tea, and a bunch of other things are made? Are you going to swear off those and judge those that don’t?

              • strawberry_enjoyer42@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                1·
                2 hours ago

                I use a Fairphone (and I’ll keep using it for the next decade, as far as I’m concerned), my computers are second-hand, I don’t eat bananas, chocolate, or rice, and I don’t drink tea.

                These things pale in comparison to the consequences of using AI. It’s like comparing the carbon emissions of a gas stove to those of a private jet.

                • onlinepersona@programming.dev
                  1·
                  2 hours ago

                  Lmao, you sure about that? How do you think they get to you? Even before AI came along citizens from rich countries were contributing double or more to greenhouse gases than poorer nations.

                  How much did AI add on top? 5%? 10%?

                  I don’t eat bananas, chocolate, or rice, and I don’t drink tea

                  Kek. And you live on air and sunlight too, I’m sure.

          • the_q@piefed.socialEnglish
            2·
            3 hours ago

            It’s OK, bud. You’re allowed to use the slop machines without feeling the need to defend it.

  • one_old_coder@piefed.socialEnglish
    20·
    5 hours ago

    Of course the AI wave has been horrible, and is getting significantly worse. At first it was once in a while that I’d see slop … Nowadays it’s pretty much half of what I see, if not more.

    Who could have predicted this? And no answer from Linus.