the term Holocaust is sometimes used to include the murder and persecution of non-Jewish groups, such as the Romani and Soviet POWs.
And I disagree, because it’s not sometimes. It’s most of the time.
Encyclopedia Brittanica: Holocaust, the systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women, and children and millions of others by Nazi Germany
History.com: The Holocaust was the state-sponsored persecution and mass murder of millions of European Jews, Romani people, the intellectually disabled, political dissidents and homosexuals by the German Nazi
See, I think it’s really irresponsible to do as Rowling does and make the Holocaust solely about Jewish people and not the other groups.
First, the etymological argument. Holocaust means whole-burning. Not Jew-burning. It’s not called the Loudaicaust, is it? Indeed, according to Wikipedia, people used to say “The Jewish holocaust” up until special importance was assigned to the Jewish persecution and people began to conflate the two.
Second and more importantly, the ethical argument. When we assign special importance to the persecution of Jewish people, we forget the historical oppression of other groups. Which is exactly what Hitler, Rowling, and Netanyahu want us to forget. All three are aligned as fascists who want to tear down history and forget the suffering of those they deem subhuman. Anti-semitism does not exist in a vacuum. It always operates as part of a broader ideology we call fascism. The ideology of all three of these people. The Holocaust is what the fascists did. They did it to many different people. Never forget.
And finally, you moved the goalposts. When you cited Jewish News UK, your position was that she didn’t deny the persecution of trans people, because that’s what Jewish News said. You’ve already lost the argument, and now you’re trying to save face for Rowling by quibbling over technicalities.
Modern Israeli politics aside, and thats a huge aside, saying that antisemitism doesn’t exist is a bold claim seeing as the one thing you can bet on existing pretty much any time and any where in the last couple millenia is antisemitism.
I’m not Jewish. I have no dog in this race. I just like going down history rabbit holes and it always makes me laugh when “Opinions on Jewish People” seems to show up randomly as a section on the wiki. Almost like it’s a genetic predisposition in some people. It’s fascinating.
2025, a father-son duo go to “Chanukah by the sea” at Bondi Beach and shoot into the crowd, killing 15 people. Worst terrorist attack in Australian history.
The media blames Palestine supporters, but I blame Netanyahu. See, he’s been conflating Judaism and Zionism for years. He had to know he was inciting politically illiterate people who hate Zionism to also hate Judaism. And I think he wanted it. Because attacks like this, to the politically illiterate masses, sap support for Palestine. Governments get more support in policing anti-zionist speech as supposedly antisemitic.
And it works because there is no denying that 15 people, including a 10 year old girl and an 87 year old holocaust survivor, were shot dead for attending a Jewish holiday. There is no denying that antisemitism happened here.
The Wikipedia also says
And I disagree, because it’s not sometimes. It’s most of the time.
Encyclopedia Brittanica: Holocaust, the systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women, and children and millions of others by Nazi Germany
History.com: The Holocaust was the state-sponsored persecution and mass murder of millions of European Jews, Romani people, the intellectually disabled, political dissidents and homosexuals by the German Nazi
See, I think it’s really irresponsible to do as Rowling does and make the Holocaust solely about Jewish people and not the other groups.
First, the etymological argument. Holocaust means whole-burning. Not Jew-burning. It’s not called the Loudaicaust, is it? Indeed, according to Wikipedia, people used to say “The Jewish holocaust” up until special importance was assigned to the Jewish persecution and people began to conflate the two.
Second and more importantly, the ethical argument. When we assign special importance to the persecution of Jewish people, we forget the historical oppression of other groups. Which is exactly what Hitler, Rowling, and Netanyahu want us to forget. All three are aligned as fascists who want to tear down history and forget the suffering of those they deem subhuman. Anti-semitism does not exist in a vacuum. It always operates as part of a broader ideology we call fascism. The ideology of all three of these people. The Holocaust is what the fascists did. They did it to many different people. Never forget.
And finally, you moved the goalposts. When you cited Jewish News UK, your position was that she didn’t deny the persecution of trans people, because that’s what Jewish News said. You’ve already lost the argument, and now you’re trying to save face for Rowling by quibbling over technicalities.
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Modern Israeli politics aside, and thats a huge aside, saying that antisemitism doesn’t exist is a bold claim seeing as the one thing you can bet on existing pretty much any time and any where in the last couple millenia is antisemitism.
I’m not Jewish. I have no dog in this race. I just like going down history rabbit holes and it always makes me laugh when “Opinions on Jewish People” seems to show up randomly as a section on the wiki. Almost like it’s a genetic predisposition in some people. It’s fascinating.
Please tell us about modern-day antisemitism. It would actually be awesome to hear the examples cited in the video existing. Prove me wrong.
And calling worldwide Jewish exceptionalism both in politics and in society “modern Israeli politics” is pretty fucking crazy, not gonna lie.
You want a clear example of modern day antisemitism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondi_Beach_shooting
2025, a father-son duo go to “Chanukah by the sea” at Bondi Beach and shoot into the crowd, killing 15 people. Worst terrorist attack in Australian history.
The media blames Palestine supporters, but I blame Netanyahu. See, he’s been conflating Judaism and Zionism for years. He had to know he was inciting politically illiterate people who hate Zionism to also hate Judaism. And I think he wanted it. Because attacks like this, to the politically illiterate masses, sap support for Palestine. Governments get more support in policing anti-zionist speech as supposedly antisemitic.
And it works because there is no denying that 15 people, including a 10 year old girl and an 87 year old holocaust survivor, were shot dead for attending a Jewish holiday. There is no denying that antisemitism happened here.