• EndOfLine@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    These judges who are allowing this and not ordering the immediate dismissal of all charges and for the children to be released are monsters.

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      Yeah. I used to be a person who said that “America is great because it is good” and I know that attitude came from a post 9-11 patriotism I thought was real.

      But this isn’t even trying. We are broken as a society and country.

      RIP 🇺🇸

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        A pretty good rule in general is: “the more somebody claims great things about themselves or about something they control, the less that is true”.

        A country’s politicians harping about how great and good the country they have power over is, should ring enormous alarm bells in one’s mind - such qualities are self-evident, so if the people who control the country feel the need to insistently claim that, it means they know that the country falls short of that and words are needed to fill in the perception gap between reality and people thinking the country has such qualities.

        That said, it’s the kind of thing one only discovers (if at all) with life experience, and I thing most of us started by believing such things, later figured out it’s bullshit and even later figured out what kind of symptons to look for to determine if it’s all bullshit, so fair enough that you believed it and kudos for, by now, being at least at the stage of having figured out it was all bullshit.

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    This seems like a complex issue, and I don’t necessarily think that not having legal representation for half of them is necessarily the biggest problem.

    It’s just inexcusable that children are taken from their parents in any case.

    All of these kids, lawyer or no, are more or less doomed to a life of abuse, exploitation, poverty, and the resultant mental health problems.

    Presumably, the acacia centre of justice is conducting a triage and representing the cases they can where there’s a chance of achieving a better outcome.

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      Them having legal representation is literally due process it’s pretty high on the list of problems. There’s plenty of legitimate reasons to remove kids from their parents, plenty of abusive parents out there, so yes in some cases it is excusable. There’s NO excuse for foregoing due process however

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        is literally due process

        Actually I doubt that’s true, in a technical sense.

        In a criminal court yes having legal representation is due process.

        For the types of court matters which are formulaic and don’t really require any discretion or consideration, legal representation isn’t really considered a basic right because there may not be much scope to influence the outcome.

        If it were a requirement in these cases the federal govt would ensure that these kids do have representation simply to ensure that they can not later appeal on the basis that they did not have representation.

        If you had $10 to donate, it would be better used to buy them a toothbrush and soap for wherever they get deported to, rather than paying someone to represent their case in court.

        That said I’m gravely concerned for these kids mental and physical well being while in custody. I’m sure the detention centres are just awful places to be.

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    I almost want there to be a hell. I most likely would end up there for my denial of a greater being. But getting the chance to see these people explain themselves to their creator of how and why they abused kids and separated them before being cast out seems like the only justice these kids will ever receive

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    This is beyond horrible, but as I found out has also been going on for decades. Maga didn’t do this, but they would have if it wasn’t already the policy.

    Overhaul immigration, overhaul qualifed immunity for law enforcement, eliminate ICE.