• Hanrahan@slrpnk.net
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    3 days ago

    Well, Germany can vote Green and move the Overton window and shut those clowns up but instead… AfD.

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    4 days ago

    What about a 5 years delay on shareholder dividends? That may encourage longer-term thinking, or at least beyond quarterly.

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    Oh yeah just ask the climate to wait. Sure it will be fine. Ffs, right in the middle of a really bad heatwave too?

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    Mfers the real deadline was 20 years ago, we already irreversibly fucked up wild bees and many forests, you don’t get to delay it anymore. In fact, be grateful deadline is not “tomorrow or go broke” (as it should be)

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    So conservatives are trying to stop the world from turning again. I’m getting real tired with that shit, bro.

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    The medievil age, or dark age, was just a few dozen generations ago. When humans used to burn women because of superstition and persecuted scientists as heretics. When it was common for children and mothers to die during childbirth. When disease killed a quarter or so of a population. When people died due to a bad tooth or a broken limb. When education was based a century’s old fiction book. It took many curious and courageous lifes to establish the scientific method. This scientific method enabled us to go from riding horses to flying to the moon. To have pocket sized computers, that connect and enterntain us. Due to science we eradicated many terrible diseases and are on the verge to win over AIDS and cancer. Nowadays this science is available almost everywhere and anytime to almost anybody.

    German businesses, politicians call for 5-year delay in climate targets

    A lot, if not all of the things these businesses sell are based on science. Now they want us be ignorant to science again. Every action has a reaction! The law of physics does not wait for us to be ready. The science is clear: we can’t delay reducing fossil fuel use any longer! And:

    Screw anybody that tries to keep humanity ignorant and uneducated!

    • PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works
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      Okay let’s tone it back a bit.

      The medievil age, or dark age

      Historians don’t call it that. The “dark ages” were called that because we didn’t have good records of the period, i.e. it was obscured to us or “dark” to us. That’s not the same as the ages being regressed or evil in any fashion. Also, “medieval” doesn’t have anything to do with “evil” (I don’t know whether you’re implying that or it’s just a typo, TBF), it literally just means “middle ages” - “medi” >> middle, “ev” >> ages (or period), “-al” >> “of the” (just the normal suffix used in english).

      Because of the insane misconceptions, medieval historians tend to avoid using the terms “dark age” or for that matter “feudalism” (feudalism is a vague term that usually implies vassalism, serfdom, and manorialism, and lots of places didn’t even have all 3 during the “feudal ages” let alone during all the periods described of as “feudal”).

      When humans used to burn women because of superstition and persecuted scientists as heretics.

      This is overblown. The classic example of ‘persecuted scientists’ is Galileo, who was mostly ‘persecuted’ because he talked mad shit about the pope, made explicit statements that weren’t even backed up by his evidence (you could say “well this evidence seems to suggest heliocentrism pretty strongly” and the church wouldn’t do shit, but IIRC Galileo explicitly said “the world is heliocentric and the evidence proved it”, except his evidence didn’t actually prove it (Foucault’s Pendulum did, but that was ~1850 not ~1660).

      Similarly, when witch burnings did happen, it tended to be in the more ignorant obscure villages, not cities. The Church hated it, because… witches aren’t real. You can’t make a deal with the devil to gain magic powers, that’s heretical nonsense. Witch burnings were the antivax movement of the day.

      When disease killed a quarter or so of a population. When people died due to a bad tooth or a broken limb.

      Yarp.

      When education was based a century’s old fiction book.

      Narp.

      It took many curious and courageous lifes to establish the scientific method.

      No, the basics of science existed during the medieval period, and in fact scientific development and refining of the core concepts of science during the medieval period was a necessary part of eventually establishing the scientific method!

      The other necessary part was improving the precision of tools (that includes things like improving our glass for test tubes) so as to make scientific experiments physically repeatable in the first place. Same problem as for automated production via machine tools, in fact.

      This scientific method enabled us to go from riding horses to flying to the moon. To have pocket sized computers, that connect and enterntain us.

      It wasn’t sufficient but it was definitely necessary.

      Although to be a bit needlessly contrarian, people were still riding horses for commercial reasons during the space race, for practical reasons - if you’re a veggie seller selling veggies via essentially the “ice-cream truck business model” (i.e. rolling down the street and ringing a bell that indicates people can come out and buy vegetables from you now), you don’t need a truck to do that (you’re stopping and starting whenever someone comes and buys vegetables so you don’t benefit a lot from 40MPH,60KM/h), and a horse-cart can carry quite a lot of vegetables without needing to constantly drink oil. Also, the horse is self-driving, and maybe will cheekily start walking before the vegetable-sale has completed, because the horse isn’t stupid and knows it’s about to be told to start walking anyway. And in the 1960s, a truck is still quite expensive so if you live in a rural town selling veggies, you might pay more on the mortgage/lost interest than you gain in productivity anyway.

      Honestly a lot of cars/trucking is completely stupid and should have been replaced by an “electric horse” (i.e. a low-speed vehicle, think horse-walking-speed and definitely sub-20MPH,30KM/h, which could thus be electric without much loss of performance) with most long-distance transport done via rail. And forget Elon Musk, we could reap a lot of the benefits of self-driving cars by simply deploying trained corgi chauffeurs (i.e. a less fuel-intensive alternative to a horse, which has more than ~1 horsepower since it’s driving an electric vehicle).

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        Thank you very much for your thoughts!

        Medieval spelled wrong was a mistake by me. English is my third language and this is one of the words, where I am never really sure how it is spelled!

        Thank you for clarifying the word “dark ages”. I just read the regarding Wikipedia and if I understood it correctly, both of us are not wrong.

        I don’t know about how many women were burned. I am currently reading Carl Sagan’s “A Demon Hunted World” and there he states in the 7th chapter talking about the chronicles of the city “Würzburg”:

        There were 28 public immolations, each with 4 to 6 victims on average, in that small city in a single year. This was a microcosm of what was happening all across Europe. No one knows how many were killed altogether - perhaps hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions. Maybe you are right on scientist. It’s just what I’ve heard, that people were persecuted, when they were saying things that challenged the image the Church was providing.

        For education: I don’t actually know how it was. I assume that education was reserved for a small wealthy minority, but this is more guessing than knowing. So I take your word.

        I agree on your words on modern transport. There can be plenty of discussion about what is necessary and what not. But this is missing the point I was trying to made: How much knowledge we gained in a short period of time.

        Personally I am against private transport, at least the way it is practised today. I think everybody can have a bicyle, I am not against this. But I think a ton of steel that takes up 10 square meter is a little over the top as well to transport a single person.

        Thank you again for writing this up. This gives me plenty of interesting topics to look into!

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    Instead of 2045, Germany should adopt the European target year of 2050 … Germany’s current special path of aiming to become climate-neutral five years earlier than the European Union makes the country more expensive as a business location without achieving any additional climate impact.

    It would be better if the world would move toward the German goal rather than the other way around.

    But the world doesn’t seem to want that, particularly the world’s biggest emitters: the U.S. seems to quit any emissions reductions at all, and China aims to reach carbon neutrality in 2060, ten years later than the EU (yet China is hailed as the global leader in climate change actions).

    The world isn’t on a good path, but I somehow feel Germany isn’t the biggest problem here.

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    Man, I despise Vassiliadis and his union. He’s the worst the DGB has to offer, even though all of them (at the top) are bootlickers selling out the workers all the time.