Hard to call it propaganda when so many red flags had to be intentionally ignored to justify voting for them even if there was one stance you liked about them. Its why you heard so much gas lighting from supporters of its just a joke. You are over reacting. You are just a doomer. TDS.
They knew all the negatives about him. Its why they put so much effort into downplaying it.
I don't like facism whether it is the US or China. I hate dictatorships. I hate for life presidents. I hate one party governments. I hate having to trust in the idea of a benevolent dictatorship. I want a government that fears the people and leaderships can be easily replaced as opposed to becoming centralized under one person because fuck kings.
I don't even want to talk to you and you aren't even as unpleasant as those who support maga ideals, so your whole just talk it out has been a failure from the onset. But, if you believe maga is even easier to talk it out and change their minds then go at it.
You aren't even doing a good job of getting non Trump supporters to agree with you.
And if you don't see supporting someone who wants to be a dictator, wants to get rid of minorities, hires white nationalists like Hegseth, threatens Canada's independence, bombs Venezuelan boats, and has ties to the files as not evil then what exactly is evil to you?
Because a person who endorses that type of person and only complains when they are financially affected, but were happily cheering on the policies before hand sure seem evil to me. This isn't like some disagreement about which food is better. What they fundamentally were in support of is red flags.
How do we even know if they are actually reformed and won't go and vote for the next Trump who they believe will be more strategic about who they hurt so the right kind of people are left unaffected?
Expressing disapproval of Trump doesn't mean they disagree with many of the things he is doing, since he has so far been truthful on all the things he said he'd do starting with wanting to be a dictator and Project 2025. Nothing is a surprise.
Only surprise is they thought only illegals and minorities would be affected, and that's still something they want.
If she saw the future she'd still vote for Trump. The core ideology is something she agrees with and is happy with many of the policies being carried out. She's just not happy about the random way it is being carried out that is leading to collateral damage to groups of her kind that weren't supposed to be affected.
You can't even bring together people who aren't on Trump sides, so you are failing on your messaging from the start when it comes to your big proclamation of talking it out.
She hasn't changed. She'll vote for the next Trump who they believe will be more surgical when it comes to hurting people they don't like. This is her basically telling the party to reduce the collateral damage. The ideology that brought her to support them hasn't changed.
I don't even get why they chose TDS. I like most people assumed it meant Trump supporters being deranged when they first saw it. Not the smartest choice to choose a phrase that requires them to explain they don't mean them.
Better fighting to keep things from getting worse and worse then handing everything over to billionaires without any resistance. And if there's one thing politics has been consistent on is that they don't make our dreams come true, but they can make life even worse than it was previously. They got a real talent for that.
To even come to that logic in the first place you'd have to be fine with him stating he's going to be a dictator and be fine with his racism and ties to Epstein.
So....... I don't buy the bullshit that they didn't vote for people to suffer. That's the Republican talking point used to gaslight those that accuse them of being racists. Equivalent of that's not a Nazi salute its our hearts go out to you.
Try a different audience that will fall for it. Not here.
They see him as someone who finally made it acceptable again to say all the bigotry that they had to keep to themselves after years of suffering under a society that was pushing woke values. They see him as a hero that is taking the country back to the good old days and putting the undesirables away.
Sure there might be financial blow back that makes them angry, but the ideologies pushed override that and they will support him or the next leader that is bringing the country closer to their idea of paradise that has the right type of people and beliefs.
The biggest mistake I think people make is they automatically assume racists must be misinformed or tricked or stupid. When they can be intelligent and know more, and it comes down to simply not liking a certain group for existing and wanting to reduce those groups influence and population within their country. And that can be despite them seeing more of the world than other people.
I think this automatic assumption of wanting to believe they are dumb or tricked is why they have successfully gained traction, since people still keep underestimating their intelligence and planning. Its like people just don't want to believe people can actually be evil at their core.
Yeah, lot of bigots are self aware enough to try to hide their hatred and point to other things when it comes to making what they support more palatable to those who might not be. They aren't complete idiots like some immediately assume which is why they have been underestimated by the opposite side and gained such huge traction and seen increasing success.
Even the dumb ones don't try to show the full extent of the bigotry, since they know there are still some in society who resist such ideologies despite growing embracement of it.
If they are intelligent then the xenophobia and desire for authoritarian government to push policies that would be difficult to pass is what they rationally voted for. For well off intelligent racists who might get along with some minorities but see them as exceptions as opposed to the norm Trump is doing a good job.
Got to not see it through the eyes of someone who is concerned about the economy, health care, or international relations. But, bigots who have a long term idea of the America they want and willing to suffer economically for what they believe is a better future for their kind.
And those who are intelligent are good at arguing they aren't racist, which is why they are smart enough to come up with slogans like America first as opposed to ethnic cleansing and use of minorities in some positions to point as examples of how they are totally not racist.
Sorry to tell you this but the racism really resonated with them.
That sounds like the typical libertarian excuse used when they aren't amongst fellow conservatives but trying to come off as not on the side being criticized.
Better defense would be saying yeah Andy may or may not want to be part of the inner circle like Tim Cook who is bending the knee to Trump for more money even though people know he isn't racist or against lgbtq. And sure he chose to ignore that Slater worked for the Internet Association maybe hoped people wouldn't dig further and chose to portray Republicans as being more the party of the little guy, because he may or may not have wanted to be part of the new tech inner circle with Zuckerberg, Musk, Bezos by publicly signaling praise.
But, the company itself is not in the US so hopefully that keeps things from getting worse even though the company chose to double down making the statement again from Protons official account so it became not just a Yen statement but a Proton one before deleting everything when response wasn't what they hoped of people joining in on the praise. So maybe they learned their lesson and will go back to focusing on proton products as opposed to political endorsements.
Basically more than 75% of that anonymous totally not Andy Yen article is nothing but fluff going look how not racist and homophobic he is when that stuff does not matter in the least bit when billions are potentially involved as best demonstrated by Tim Cook. That article is like the golden example of identity politics with how it brings it up to shift attention away from Slater endorsement despite her history with the Internet Association infringing among privacy of consumers and Republican whitewashing as the party of the little people.
That anonymously submitted medium article that gets floated around ignores Internet Association, so wouldn’t be shocking if it was from proton attempting to do PR damage fixating on identity politics with intentional omission of Internet Association involvement.
Yen conveniently ignored that after working at the FTC, Slater become the vice-president for legal and regulatory policy for the Internet Association lobby group. Which was founded by “small business” like Google, Amazon, eBay and Facebook.
And involved in trying to infringe upon privacy rights. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/09/lawmakers-must-not-let-internet-association-weaken-california-consumer-privacy-act
So yeah, proton founder cherry picked information that tried to make it seem like it was acceptable to praise the pick when reality her past is too murky to endorse.
Apple Tim Cook showed that ideology doesn't matter when monetary greed is involved, so falling to look how not intolerant Yen just comes off as a diversion from the criticism regarding him choosing to praise Slater by omitting details of her history that didn't fit the pro consumer narrative for the little guy.
Tankies feel like they push pseudo communism with the bourgeoisie still at the top giving scraps to the proletariat and passing it off as paltry socialism. There’s no societal change to the hierarchy, balance of power, or wealth. Usually some power of personality to rally around as their God who's surrounded themselves with oligarchs who are enriching themselves and providing scraps to pass off as communist enough.
It’s more a weird ultra nationalism where proletariats are being tricked into thinking power has been given to the people when the ones at top are abusing their power to oppress forms of counter thought to seize whatever they want and retain their wealth. I wouldn’t consider them left just because there’s some form of socialism. Lot of countries do if at the very least they fix roads and have fire fighters.
The integration of authoritarianism just conflicts with my idea of communism, since my idea of communism is power to the people and one where the government fears the people because people control the means of production and they choose who stays in power. Not trading the usual suspects of kings, dictators, warlords, or whatever they call themselves for a different coat of paint.
Tankies are facists. More I see of them more I realize they are non US MAGA. Both leaning towards being ultranationalists with love for cult of personality leaders, authoritarian governments, and one party.
Only real difference is healthcare, but the shared love of preferring to trust in what they hope is a benevolent dictator to tell them what to do and get rid of their enemies is a common goal. Neither seems to actually want a government that fears the people that can easily replace leaders they dislike or abuse their power.