Good one! Added it to the list of sources:
It's fucked up that up to today and ITT there are still people trying to gloss over and excuse the atrocities. Let's show them what Streisand Effect means.
Except that Snopes article does not even agree with you.
It's time you stopped excusing and glossing over the atrocities committed.
Sources on how fucked up Irish mother and baby homes were:
The article is a pile of crap. However another excavation has started this week, which is what probably what triggered the publish of this crap.
If you are interested here are better sources:
Honestly, I'm disgusted how you misquote Snopes in an attempt to smear the historian and to gloss over the atrocities committed at Tuam and similar facilities.
The Snopes article pretty much contradicts your comment entirely.
Other Sources:
Actually it was a place that harmed, neglected and even tortured children.
"There can be no Justice without redress for survivors and that redress must be paid for by Religious Orders who have harvested enormous wealth by inflicting misery and death on the most vulnerable in our society.
There can be no Justice without an Inquest into the dead of Tuam. They died horribly and unnecessarily. They had no life as children. The State owes them the dignity of an Inquest and a Death Certificate that truly shows why they died.
There can be no more betrayals of our dead children."
Also check out the Wikipedia article. The investigations and excavations are ongoing, so there will be proof of even more atrocities uncovered.
There’s an extensive Wikipedia article outlining known facts and atrocities - dumping the bodies is probably the least atrocious thing they’ve done.
EDIT: I believe OP is trying to distract from the atrocities by focussing on a minor one and misquoting Snopes.
You don’t, the „journalist“ just made that up instead of searching for a minute finding details that would have enabled them to write a proper article.
There’s even an extensive Wikipedia article outlining known facts and atrocities - dumping the bodies is probably the least atrocious thing they’ve done.
There is even a Tuam Home Survivors website listing the names of the deceased and how they were uncovered by the historian.
Apparently this week they started a new dig to uncover the bodies as they found some but not nearly all of them.
It took me just a couple of minutes to uncover the info and write a tiny bit of that down. This is how journalism dies.
EDIT: This ARTE.tv Documentary outlines that DNA is used as you would expect: to identify the remains of lost relatives.
You still believe that I ever said that Germany has American style suburbs… Which I have never done.
No, you just brought that up numerous times. Strawman.
You also continue to claim that I believe German cities have no alternatives to cars, which I have even used as a reason to reduce the number of cars above.
Pure fantasy. None of that has happened in this thread & this does not even make sense.
Honestly this feels like you live in a city and bought an EV, .. blablablabla
It's amazing how you didn't even retain the info about my above average walking and biking distance (ref. Ergebnispräsentation SrV 2023). You never properly read that snippet of proof you shared nor did you bother to look up the study, you can't even comprehend the bits of it hand fed to you. Again have someone explain the study results to you or paste it into a LLM and have it create an ELI5 version for you.
I know my comment was long but I'm still dissapointed that you understood less than I thought you would. The study, or rather the presentation of results, which is the basis of the article you linked is very interesting. Unfortunately I don't know how to break it doewn even simpler. You should ask someone to explain it to you.
Nio, Hyundai, Kia, Ford, Jaguar, VW, Genesis, Zeekr, MG, Smart, and even SwastiCar have options that offer a lot of trunk space while maintaining visibility.
We should ban 4-wheeled tanks from cities though.
35% of trips in Darmstadt are done with a car, that means 65% are not. Parking is a horrible indicator for that. No, in the snippet you linked it says that in 2018 35% of trips within Darmstadt (length = 1-3km) were done by car. 3 km being walking distance for I think this is quite high. I'm sure however that the current number is lower. For some reason you assume that people living near center never leave it - your attempt at straw manning the Parking into this leads me to assume you're just being disingenuous (again).
Let's still run with it and look at the source of your outdated and ill-interpreted snippet. The current version is covering all cities and the result presentation differs a bit: Ergebnispräsentation SrV 2023. Download the PDF and look at the following slides. slides:
What you should see looking at these:
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Also Germany has a lot of suburbanization happening. It is not quite American style, but it is pretty easy to find parts of cities with nearly exlcusivly single family houses. The street layout is better, they do have some public transport and are denser, but they are nonetheless suburbs. For Darmstadt Wixhausen is a pretty good example of a suburb.
Honestly, this might be the dumbest thing I have read today. Yes, Wixhausen is one of the suburbs of Darmstadt. In fact most if not all cities on the planet have suburbs. No, they are not all the same and Wixhausen is nothing like US suburbs.
German does not usually make a difference between city and town, but calls both of them Stadt. (...)
No, it's defined more clearly than in English, we're German after all. Also no definition places a Town (Kleinstadt) anywhere near 100k citizens.
If you want everybody to drive, then you end up with American style suburbs, which are imho horrible.
That is so out of touch with reality in Germany. Our streets are filled with way too many yet there no American style suburbanization happening. You brought up Darmstadt in your earlier reply - look up Loop5 and it's struggles. The city center is doing well and the mall is struggling. If your argument had any merit Germany would already be littered with malls and city centers would be dead.
Sorry but you have absolutely no idea on anything you brought up so far. I believe cities need less cars but no cars is not just a weird absolutism, it's absolute BS. Believe it or not, there are people with other life realities than yours.
So far I never drove long distance in an EV. Do so, it'll be an eye-opening experience for you. Also it is hard to miss this strong point of contention in online media.
Do you think most people in Germany are homeowners?
No, but cars cost a lot of money. So if they are not they should very seriously think about needing a car.
Do you really think this assumption of yours is based in reality?
That most people live outside of cities?
Yes. Less then a third of Germans live in cities(over 100k population) the rest lives in towns or rural regions.
It's the other way around though: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/662560/umfrage/urbanisierung-in-deutschland/
Also a City over 100k population is defined as a Großstadt. It's quite weird you try put that as a qualifier to score a win. No idea what you thought to gain by that.
Or that all people in cities live in their own homes with easy available charging and photovoltaic solutions?
No, but they live in a German city, which means they do not need a car.
BS. You don't know that.
Do you believe that somebody living in a rented flat in say Darmstadt needs a car? The city has trams and is pretty dense after all.
Yes, I do. You have absolutely no idea whatsoever on how their situation is. Maybe they need it for commuting, transporting chrildren, visiting relatives, etc. pp.
You can buy a decent flat for like 400k€ in Darmstadt...
If you are single or dink then probably, Families pay >600k€. There's almost nothing on the market, so prices stay shitty.
Also drive through any German city - Do you think that all / a majority of the cars owned by homeowners only?
Would you recommend somebody to buy the flat or the EV?
Note that in 2023 49% of new cars in Germany were financed, the trajectory growing since 2019 - I assume it's well beyond 50% now. Whatever you or I think about that financially or in terms of what it means for our society - it is what it is: People buy cars whether they can afford them or (according to you) need them or not.
who have access to a private parking lot, which can be used for home charging.
And I know a lot people that have a spot in an undergound garage - some have no chance for placing a charge, other have a prohibitive price point attached to it. Others live in an old building, there is no possibility of adding a garage.
Balcony solar is also a thing.
Yep, balcony solar will charge my car I in just a bit over 100 hours, realistically it'll take more than a week. This is assuming I get a spot in front of my own house, which happens like 5 times per year. Grasping at straws, but why?
Look, for some reason you thing you need to 'win' this 'point' and resort to moving goalposts and bad faith points.
I believe we both share the same goal that we want to promote EV usage and possibly even want to get rid of combustion engines? I know I do, especially in cities.
EV acceptance / migration in presently in decline HUK-E-Barometer There are a couple of reasons for that and a big one of those is that public charging is dog shit in Germany. Granted, it's better than 5 or 10 years ago but it is still dog shit. There still being need for more stations and the prices being a hot mess are the biggest problems here.
Do you think most people in Germany are homeowners? That most people live outside of cities? Or that all people in cities live in their own homes with easy available charging and photovoltaic solutions?
Also: Could you kindly respond to the question I mentioned in my previous comment? It would be greatly appreciated and show a minimal bit of courtesy.
I’m aware. Comparing home prices to gas stations is apples & pears though. Especially since most people won’t be able to charge at home.
Did you so far only drive short distance/commute or did you get to ‘enjoy’ the pricing schemes on fast chargers?
I drive electric in Germany and I wish the price is what you claim. On a public charger it is >0,5€/kWh.
It’s up to >0,8€/kWh when they pull a quick one and charge you out of network prices - which is a constant danger when driving long distance.
It’s almost as bad as mobile roaming used to be before the EU stepped in. I'm not planning to go back but the pricing is fucked up. The price schemes need to be regulated.
My brain autocorrected their mix-up of potatoes and tomatoes until I read your comment.
They forgot the newsletters you get twice a day* (*thrice if you opted out of newsletters) and the deluge of spam when everyone at Bonto sold your email address while they were going out of business.
Given the shit apologists write ITT you really need to use the "/s" marker.