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@ dastanktal @lemmy.ml

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Mostly on Hexbear.

Free Palestine!

Baby Marxist. Feral debater. Will continue to "argue" as long as you give attention.

I return in kind the energy sent to me.

Libs be prepared 😈

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • You keep using the term material conditions. I don't think it means what you think it means and as a communist I find your use of that term frankly to be offensive.

    If you're going to use marxian terms at least go to the reading to figure out what they mean.

    Congratulations your city managed to use labor power to vote down some shit that should have never been offered up to vote in the first place and would not have ever been offered up to vote in a communist Society or in a locally run organization. You guys going to do that every time for the rest of Eternity to ensure that the powers that be don't pass those laws? And you wonder why people are burnt out and apathetic.

    Furthermore your issue on the right to assembly is just as valid under the Democrats as it is under Trump because both parties are guilty of limiting the right to assembly. The United Kingdom labor party's actions against the group called Palestine action. See the United States response to college campus protests.

    And you're just grasping at straws trying to literally find anything to invalidate my point when people have been meeting in groups secretly or not for years whether or not it's illegal.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • The tankies would meet up regardless of the law. Because they know how important organizing and assembling is. Liberals would give them to the cops.

    You really think Trump is going to pass legislation making all volunteer organizations illegal? Furthermore you really think all volunteer organizations are just going to stop doing their thing because they were found to be illegal?

    This is just a stupid Counterpoint because in the United Kingdom where the left lib party is objectively and control they've already restricted the ability to organize.

    Do you think Biden was given sunshine and rainbows out when he was involved in helping break up the Palestinian protest on the college campuses?

    Don't pretend that the Democrats are your friend. And don't pretend that they won't put up as many roadblocks to prevent us from getting the rights that we want as the Republicans do.

    If you want an active example go look at Zohran Mamdani and the type of organization that Democrats do to ensure that these type of progressives cannot survive in the DNC.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • It was an extremely common problem in the Obama Administration for them to embrace civility politics and back down to people like McConnell who single-handedly fucked the American people. Obama and the Democrats allowed that to happen.

    Yes Trump was slowed down in 2016 by the Supreme Court but you know who could have used the four years to jump in and really hit the ground running the way Trump did in 2024? Biden in 2020 where he could have done something to actually slow Trump down and utilize some of the broad Powers the Supreme Court gave the office of president. He's being somewhat slow down by this Supreme Court but this time he's had four years to properly prep. Something the democrats should have done.

    Oh and before you go well they wouldn't let Biden use those Powers that's also kind of the point. If you put that shit on the court record you're then making the Supreme Court quite literally spell out that it's not okay for the Democrats to do but it's okay for the Republicans to do.

    Once again you have no idea how I voted and the way I'm talking I could have easily have voted for PSL or the green party. If you want to know just ask.

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  • Genetic fallacy detected.

    Inability to engage with constructive points noted.

    Anything else that you would like to declare about your lack of literacy or your inability to criticize?

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Yes and harping on those apathetic voters to vote for harm reduction has been such a wonderful strategy for the past 20 years.

    If you want those apathetic voters to vote you need to get them involved in local organizations so that they can actually see change in their local community. This gets people engage in politics and they will do things like engaging electoralism and go vote which deals with the apathetic voter issue.

    But you don't get there by solely focusing on getting people to vote. You get there on getting people engaged with their local organizations in their community.

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  • Oh yes let's just ignore the reality the situation and make up bullshit to support your argument. I love it when we get to this part of the politics thread.

    So you didn't notice that as soon as Kamala got the nomination from the DNC that her strategy entirely changed because she picked up Biden's advisors and they went with a Do no harm strategy that specifically capitulated to moderates something that was noted by the majority report and most liberal mainstream Media news sources during 2024? I'd love to link you a few articles if you're interested.

    Things are five times worse for the Palestinians now? I'm sorry who was president during the majority of the time the Palestinian genocide was going on? Yeah Trump and the maralogo crowd in Florida definitely did a whole lot to push that genocide forward and definitely did a lot to tie Biden's hands and there's definitely not reporting that Biden was literally a godsend to Israel due to not putting any pressure on them. Come on this is well known that Biden did literally nothing about the Palestinian genocide. Stop pretending this is a win, it's unequivocally not. Biden's Legacy will forever be stained by the title of "Genocide Joe" oh and the fact that he delivered us directly to Trump.

    Yes millions of people voted for Biden but it's very very clear that the strategy of going out to vote for "harm reduction" was not enough to deal with apathetic voters. Getting people to vote doesn't mean getting them engaged in electoralism it means getting them engaged with local organizations where they can actually see change affect things around them. then those people might have an interest in voting which deals with the apathetic voting issue. But you don't get there by focusing solely on getting people to vote.

    I'm glad we agree on the DNC and David hog. It is entirely bullshit what the DNC did to him and it's entirely bullshit that the DNC endorses candidates.

    Look I'm not saying that people shouldn't vote, I am saying that focusing on electoralism as one of the most important or the most important thing is the wrong strategy and will do nothing to help save us from Trump. This is literally been the strategy of the Democrats for the last 20 years and it's not worked.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Libs focusing on voting as the sole method of change or completely inflating it's importance are a large part of the reason there isn't a strong left-wing in the US.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Yes we spent so much time and energy in electoralism to just for the Democrats to give the election to Trump 👍

    What a wonderful use of our time, energy, and money.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • No I completely disagree and don't think that electoralism would do anything other than delay the inevitable rise to Fascism in the United States.

    Stop pointing out this line of logic it's not convincing.

    The Democrats had 8 years under Obama to do literally anything to affect the status quo and failed to do so with massive push from the progressive crowd. Then we try it again with Bernie in 2016 where the Democrats made it very very clear he was not welcome.

    Then we try it again in 2020 where Joe Biden promptly ignored the majority will of most voters.

    It is not the job of the voters to Rally around a party that can't figure itself out, it is the job of the party to energize those voters into acting the way they need to.

    This is something that Communists recognize about their own party, why is this so hard for liberals to understand it.

    You were giving yourself a handicap and saying there's nothing you can do about it. Frankly that's bullshit and there's plenty to do other than sit around and waste your time in political organizations that solely focus on electoralism that aren't going to do a damn thing to make our lives better or save us from fascism.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • I see there's no response to me completely dismantling your point about creating a progressive Wing in the DNC.

    Can we stop pretending electoralism is important? As I said multiple multiple times in this thread people should be spending their energy locally organizing with local organizations that do things like Feed the Homeless, or help those in a poverty situation.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • I said multiple times over the course of this thread that we should put our energy into organizing locally.

    It's not my fault that you seem to have the comprehension skills of a fish.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Do you guys not know what going to like your local volunteer organizations is?

    Like do you think volunteering at your local org is just doing nothing?

    Bunch of idealistic babies

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Asking for you to support your position and if you have a source for it is a fallacy?

    Man you must be popular at The Debate Club.

    Don't answer any questions and just accuse people of being illiterate and using fallacies when you don't want to answer a question. What a wonderful strategy you have displayed for us

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Ooo. Finally we got a reason.

    Explain how me not voting, which you have no idea if I did or not, fails to push Progressive politics in the dnc?

    I also didn't say that you shouldn't vote only that you shouldn't waste your time with electoralism. Meaning that people should vote for who they want regardless of the screeching the liberals do. And that they shouldn't waste their time doing anything with those parties since local organizations are far more important than political parties.

    Here in fact I got a great Counterpoint to this idiotic line of thinking. In 2020 we had the largest voting turnout we have ever had And end it up With one of the most institutional governments the Democrats have ever given us. How come that didn't result into the progressive Wing that you keep talking about? We also have record-setting votes during the midterms 2022. I wonder what happened to those progressives. It's not like we have a foreign lobbyist organization that does its best to ensure that progressives can't get anywhere. It's also not like the powers that be in the DNC do their absolute best to ensure that progressives can't get anywhere.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Yeah we can totally forget the actions of people like Malcolm X, MLK Jr, Fred Hampton and the thousands of other people that died fighting for those rights. Let's forget the literal thousands of people that came out in those marches and the protest that had an active economic impact such as shutting down the entire bus system in Alabama. Those were noticeably things that the Democrats at the time did not support.

    Yep let's forget all of of the groundwork put in by those communities and instead just gave all of the credit to the Democrats for signing the Civil Rights act.

    You're an idiot that doesn't have a good understanding of History both us and worldwide. You're not serious as a political actor and you should feel bad for continuing to use failed strategies that we have historical evidence of not working.

    You're not serious if you're not willing to educate yourself on anything other than what Bernie and AOC tell you to do. Pick up a book one preferably by Marxist or anarchist. You might learn how to do something other than cast a vote.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • I mean this would work except it's not your house, you offered a public opinion in a community that encourages debate. It's almost like this is an expected reaction to posting something on Lemmy.

    But of course I'd expect the person that keeps accusing me of having poor literacy to have that understanding.

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  • Notice how legislation didn't save us when we had four years to prepare.

    Hmm.

    Radlibs really need to pick up a book about political Theory from somebody other than another liberal.

    You claim it's one of the many actions we need to take I think it's a waste of our time and history supports my position as clearly evident by the clusterfuck of the United States

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Yeah it's definitely the person that always accuses the other one of the minimal lack of comprehension literacy that's the strongest orator in the thread.

    Definitely not the sign of a weak debater with a person that can't support their own points.

    Look I get that you don't actually have a response which is why you just keep trying to dismiss my counterpoints of "well when people fight in the courts" it's not the Democrats doing anything. And you still haven't pointed to any legislation or executive actions besides hand waving at a Wikipedia article that didn't support your point.

    We all know that you can't support your point it's okay to just stop arguing.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Yeah you didn't actually address my point that the DNC squashes Progressive politics so that there isn't a progressive wing and there will not be one in the DNC. It's fun to pretend though but you did actually address this concern though.

    It's not my fault that you lack creativity and are unable to imagine a way of helping people that doesn't involve electoralism and think that's abandoning people 🙄