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dastanktal

@ dastanktal @lemmy.ml

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Mostly on Hexbear.

Free Palestine!

Baby Marxist. Feral debater. Will continue to "argue" as long as you give attention.

I return in kind the energy sent to me.

Libs be prepared 😈

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Lol I spend my time local organizing and helping my community but that doesn't matter to you clearly.

    It only counts if I waste my time advocating for electoralism.

    Thats a pretty dumb position and one that is clearly born of privileged.

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  • I do remember the graphic. Remember how nothing we've tried in the last 20 years has gotten that number to move? I do.

    It's Rich to call my position privileged with the way your arguing.

    Remember when I said you shouldn't spend a lot of time on electoralism. Lenin agrees. Not that you care because to you he would be the ultimate tankie.

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  • Yeah sure if you keep repeating the line about "tankies" not taking things seriously somebody will believe you.

    Somebody doesn't understand what local organization is.

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  • Local elections which are often pushed for by local organization which is something that I advocate for.

    Also there are plenty of these organizations that exist that don't use government help because they're unable to get it

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  • Nah I'd much rather focus on the Legacy left by the Democrats and particularly Joe Biden and ensuring that Trump won an election that was almost handed to the Democrats on a silver platter.

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  • They made their own political party and did not use the one that pre-existed. Also they weren't solely focused on electoralism as even one of their most important aspects of the fight. They were focused on using electoralism to get their message out. They were focused on using electoralism to show how electoralism couldn't save them from their problems which directly led to the October Revolution.

    I've also never said that you shouldn't vote for third party or work with third party only that you shouldn't waste a ton of time with parties focused on electoralism.

    It's wonderful to be told what I mean over and over and over again when I've said quite clearly what I meant

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  • I understand that it's not your strategy to be solely focused on electoralism but it is the Democrat strategy which is the party you are pushing for.

    Do you not understand what organizing locally is? Guess not. You must think that fucking soup kitchens and homeless shelters are the stuff of Miracles then. Or that the Democrats do it all

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  • Lowering the ACA premiums and increasing some tax credits that could be easily Dodge by corporations was quite the accomplishment of one of the most Progressive administrations in American history.

    I don't know why people are so upset about Universal Health Care or the government option that the Democrats were being on about during the 2020 election.

    It's not like a Democrats allowed all of the protections protecting children from Child property to expire in 2022.

    Certainly not like the tax credit was a feature of the Trump Administration that Biden then enhanced.

    Doesn't address the very real problems with these services that every day Americans rely on

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  • I mean I've shown at this point conclusively that we've known about this issue in the United States since at least the 90s. In fact there was talk about this in the 80s.

    There's been a soul focus on getting apathetic voters to engage for about the last 20 years which hasn't worked and you think the best thing is to double down on a strategy that hasn't worked?

    But I'm ignoring material conditions?

    Okay since you're so interested in talking about material conditions let's talk material conditions. Who controls the Democrats and the Republicans because it's not the voters. It's the people with a shit ton of money that can then use their money as speech to vote.

    Is entirely inconsequential to get 10 million people to stand on the side of a road for a protest that does not threaten power. This was something that even MLK Jr recognized which is why he was historically unpopular during his time. He did things like shut down the highways, Shut down bus routes, shut down cities. They never used violence they only just stood in the way but it was effective. You'll notice that the 10 million strong that we just had in the no Kings protest did none of those things and thus nothing changed.

    How many people begged Biden to change his Palestine policy and told him that he was going to lose the election because of it? 1, 2, 1000?

    Man electoralism is so good at getting our politicians to listen to us.

    I wonder who was in control in the 90s, what party when we went through both recession and lost all of our manufacturing jobs. And I wonder how that happened and what economic theory can be used to explain it. I mean it's not like the Democrats did anything to fix all of the social cutting by the Reagan administration nor did they put back any of the regulations they removed that would have resulted in a much different outcome for us today they had put those restrictions back.

    We had a record number of Voters turn out in 2024 and it wasn't enough.

    The capitalists are not interested in what we want and they're spending Millions upon millions of dollars to ensure that will never get it and that what we do get will be ineffective compromises that barely count as a solution. It's why we couldn't get a minimum wage increase through and it's why we can't get something that every other fucking country in the world has.

    You know what I remember about all of this a large focus on electoralism and how that if we just get the Democrats in we can do the necessary work to push them farther left wing but that doesn't seem to have work now does it. If anything the Democrats are further right than they've ever been and what they offer us are are social platitudes that don't meaningfully affect anybody's lives.

    Every election I have ever lived through has always been about voting in the Lesser evil and pushing the Democrats to the left and it's not worked

    Stop pushing insanity. Whenever we manage to achieve through the electoral process will be undone as soon as the capitalists are able to do so and that is also historically true. Pretending that electoralism is going to do anything other than delay the inevitable is a pipe dream of those who only want to live in peace who cannot understand that that was never an option.

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  • Passed in 1993 Responding to historically low rates of voter registration, Congress passed the National Voter Registration Act.

    Conclusive proof that we were already aware this was a problem and have been working on getting people to engage soley focusing on getting those people to vote.

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  • All of these things were increasing under Biden. In fact child poverty went up during his administration. 😃

    There was already an increase in the amount of measle cases reported in areas that have embraced non-vaccination attitudes.

    Us climate Aid was already dead and not making any real changes to the global climate crisis.

    I will grant that Trump's complete gutting of the executive Administration a significantly worse than what we would have if a Democrat was President but it's foolish to think that that any of these things would be much better if a Democrat was in the Oval Office

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  • Yeah I have a lot of historical Freedom Fighter groups that would disagree with your premise. In particular the ANC would like a word.

    As would the Bolsheviks

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  • Great then we are in agreement in this case. If people want to vote for third parties fine if people want to vote for the Democrats fine I don't have a problem with that. My only issue is spending a lot of time harping on electoralism as the force that will save the United States. You're right I would much rather people vote third party because it does do exactly what you want and shows the Democrats the type of policies we want but I'm pretty sure they're already aware of the type of policies we want they just don't want to give them to us judging by their reaction in New York.

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  • Dude we have been focusing on electoralism now for the better part of 40 years and it hasn't done anything to save us. The apathetic voter problem has been a problem for a number of years and both sides have been trying to solve it.

    The problem is a sole focus on electoralism or viewing electoralism as one of the most important fronts is a mistake. We have had 40 plus years of viewing electoralism as the primary means of political change and it has not delivered us any of the things we need nor any of the protections we want.

    Once again that was done on the ground through local organization

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  • The work has to be done regardless and we don't let silly things such as what's legal and illegal stop us from doing such work.

    It would be better not to work undercover but as I said before there's no guarantee under either political Administration about the right for a radical group to assemble wouldn't be restricted so your point is moot.

    You're neglect of doing literally any other work other than electoral advocacy it's part of the reason the United States is in this mess and a major reason why the fascists are in the White House.

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  • So here's an article from Newsweek and noting the change in her campaign strategy

    https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-campaign-leaning-losing-strategy-opinion-1974332

    200,000 people have died in Gaza most of that occurring in 2023 to 2024. Who was president during that time?

    Whatever other stats you have are irrelevant since the genocide started with Joe.

    What's really fucking awful is that Trump is actually done more to help Palestinians than Biden dreamed of doing and that's just because Trump is fucking around with Netanyahu not because Trump gives a fuck about Palestine.

    Here you want to talk about material changes that changed in 2025?

    Well Biden restricted funding to UNRWA directly contributing to the death of probably hundreds of Palestinians that desperately needed that Aid.

    Biden threatened the houthis to get them to stop bombing Israel ships where Trump did not give a fuck and made a deal with the houthis as long as they didn't attack American ships he didn't care what they did. Israel is currently suffering a major port shutdown due to the houthi blockade which was only possible because of trump.

    Trump did secure ceasefire initially when he's got into office Regardless of what he did and how he did it he did get a ceasefire which is something that Biden failed over and over and over and over to do.

    And as ridiculous as Trump is in the Middle East is clear that he doesn't want a lot of war in the Middle East because he wants to look like a strong tough president that maintains World stability. That's a whole lot fucking better than Biden's full-throated support for the Palestinian genocide along with taking every single step to ensure that Israel could not be interrupted committing their genocide.

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  • I'll bite. Why is voting third party not any better than not voting?

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  • Gee I wonder why they had to do that in the Trump Administration and not in the Biden Administration when they had the ability to codify these things?

    Such a mystery 🤔

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  • I think our disagreement here is just how important electoralism is for us.

    I think electoralism has practically delivered us into the jaws of fascism and has done nothing but delay the inevitable.

    You think for some reason that electoralism Will somehow save us and bring about harm reduction.

    I am literally quoting arguments from Rosa Luxembourg, Lenin, Engels, and Marx which all focused quite heavily on how to affect change in the United States and in general and all of them came to the conclusion that spending a lot of time with electoralism is a waste of time. You will never have to say you want and you will never get what you want because they are incentivized to not listen to you.

    Your responses are standard reform is mainstream media responses that are delivered every single time someone brings out the talking point that electoralism and this strategy is what brought us here in the first place. When I'm advocating to do something different you're telling me that I'm wrong, when I point out that it's not work historically you tell me that we just need to give it another, when I point out how the strategy of harm reduction hasn't worked in 20 years you point out that voters need to not be apathetic to get things done. Which is true but you're not answering how you get those apathetic voters to vote and advocating on Lemmy ain't it brother.

    I'm not sitting here advocating to anybody who didn't vote I'm sitting here telling people who want to spend a bunch of time trying to advocate for people to vote that it's a waste of their time and that they should be more focused on getting people to engage in electoral politics and that that interest will drive them to vote.