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Blog: https://dastanktal.planam.link/

Mostly on Hexbear.

Free Palestine!

Baby Marxist. Feral debater. Will continue to "argue" as long as you give attention.

I return in kind the energy sent to me.

Libs be prepared 😈

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Ah so you can't handle any pushback to any of your points. It's no wonder you're famous around here.

    You can't make fun of my own comprehensive skill when you are the one that clearly didn't read my last post and made yourself look like a total fool. I admitted I made a mistake but seems to me you're doubling down.

    Which one of us is showing minimal level of literacy? Certainly not the person that didn't read their own Wiki post and fail to respond to any counterpoint.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • One: Marxists go all the time to protest in an effort to recruit for DSA, PSL, FSRO

    Two: as I already said earlier in this thread to you Marxists and anarchists spend their time in local organizations that actually affect their community.

    I spend my own effort pushing for local organizations and donating my own time and money to those local organizations which is sure of Hell a lot more effective at bringing change than voting. This is a key and core strategy of both Marxism and anarchism.

    The fact that you don't know that indicates that you should pick up a book.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Have you not watched that Democratic party sacrifice the progressives on the altar of so-called progress?

    Can't grow a progressive Wing if it's constantly stopped out by the DNC. 🙄

    It's wonderful you understand we're in a class war. It's idiotic how you think electoralism is a major front in the class war. You know how I know this? Because groups have already tried the strategy you're talking about in history and specifically failed to save themselves from fascism. See Germany in the 1900s.

    You say "not voting" has cost us the rights of women lgbtq minorities and other people, I say pushing a strategy of harm reduction for the Electoral it for the past 20 years is the reason that those rights were lost.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Lol I literally wrote out timeline so I could cover key events from the wiki link.

    You were making fun of my comprehension but you couldn't even bother to read my comment.

    Everyone here can see how you are intellectually dishonest. For me it's actually a great way to end this thread. You've exposed your epistemology wonderfully here.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Yeah the second International thought electoralism was really important too. They were wrong.

    I would be happy to teach those kids all about Marx's Theory and the different ways ways that they can survive and how to hide and survive in this government.

    I'd especially love to point out that you think voting is the most important thing you can do. Going to be really fun when you find out that nobody really cares how you voted since it doesn't really affect material conditions especially once the election is over.

    I'd love for you to sit there and explain why the Democrat Party isn't doing anything more for those Hispanic kids. Maybe you can explain to them why the Democrats allowed the covid Protections in 2022 to expire that significantly helped Hispanic families? Maybe you can explain why the Democratic party isn't doing anything to obstruct Trump's policies. Maybe you can explain to these Hispanic kids that when the Democrats on the opportunity to abolished ice they wouldn't.

    Radlibs are hopeless idealized fools that think voting and compromise can solve the world's problems. Marxist and Anarchist are actually aware of the work that needs to be done and are completely aware of the hostilities the government will have in trying to make anything better for anybody except the capitalist class.

    You're not an ally to these people. You're a wolf in sheep's clothing walking the path to Hell paved with good intentions.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • It's always about harm reduction. Was about harm reduction in 2016, it was about harm reduction in 2020, it was about harm reduction in 2024.

    No one cares. Liberal activists have been banging the drum about harm reduction for the better part of 20 years.

    You think continuing to go on about harm reduction is going to get the apathetic electorate to vote?

    Yeah you're damn right there are people out here encouraging people to not waste their time with electoralism. There are much better places we should be spending our energy where it actually matters.

    As far as the safety of minority groups under Democrat leadership I'd say it's a wash given that state leadership is far far more important than Federal leadership.

    The Democrats will not save us nor will they deliver us from fascism

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Congratulations you highlighted voter apathy. A very well known problem in the United States.

    Care to explain how your strategy of harm reduction supposed to energize the Electoral it and get them out voting again when that strategy completely failed in 2024?

    It's almost like we should do something different than try to convince people to vote in the system that doesn't work for them, that burns everybody out

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Every single right listed there was given to the lgbtq community by a court.

    Again did you not read the thing you posted? You can't be sitting here making fun of my own comprehension if you didn't read your own article which clearly stays that the rights gained by the lgbtq minorities and the 21st century was driven by activist lawyers and courts. That isn't the Democrats 🤦

    Here lets go over the timeline:

    • Gavin newsom in 2004 order California issue marriage certificates the same sex couples. This is clawed back later that year by the state supreme court.
    • Massachusetts in 2004 passed along allowing same-sex marriage after a state Supreme Court case gave same-sex couples that right. See Goodridge v. Dept. of Public Health
    • in 2004 a judge in Washington state ruled that a state cannot create laws against same-sex marriage
    • in 2014 the general attitude towards lgbtq minorities had shifted in the Supreme Court gave same-sex couples the ability to get married which was then codified in 2022.

    I'll get some credit that Gavin Newsome tried to help by forcing California to offer same-sex marriage certificates which their courts been promptly undid. That's one guy who did something tokenery that did not stick and did not put any significant energy after that.

    On August 12, 2004, the California Supreme Court voided all of the licenses that had been issued in February and March.

    Do you understand that justices aren't Representatives? Like that's not the Democrats getting rights for people, that's people fighting and spending their own money for to fight for their rights.

    The reason we have these rights has nothing to do with the Democrats and everything to do with the people on the ground fighting for these rights and it's insulting that you can continue to give Democrats the credit for doing nothing. It took the courts and most likely millions of dollars to give them these rights before the Democrats did anything

    This is just the right to same-sex marriage. There are other major problems that lgbtq people face that Democrats are more than happy to get rid of. Did you not read the article I posted above about the Democrats wanting to sacrifice minority lgbtq and trans rights in order to win the next election?

    It contradicts what you said because the Democrats didn't fight for those rights and didn't do anything to help enshrine those rights. They just didn't get in the way of people trying to enshrine those rights. I'm sorry but that is not what I want from a party that's supposed to represent the lgbtq minority in the United States.

    It almost feels like you're moving the goal post because you just want the Democrats to be partially responsible in any sort of capacity for ensuring the rights of lgbtq minorities when that's just not the case. Would a Kamala Administration be dismantling lgbtq rights the way has Trump Administration is? Probably not. They just be stuck in a dire situation they've been before where the mainstream media continues to use them as a villain and the Republicans continue to use them as a punching bag where the Democrats offer nothing but token support.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Soley, not solely. it doesn't matter because the Democrats didn't do anything to really enhance the rights of lgbtq minorities and I'll keep banging that drum.

    You haven't provided anything other than oh look they managed to appoint a few Supreme Court Justices. Not a guarantee of anything.

    Face it the Democrats only support something once it's popular enough that their power won't be challenged so they never actually put themselves on the line.

    It was actual lgbtq minorities that got those rights for themselves and frankly it's incredibly insulting that you give the Democrats so much credit for something they did not do.

    For making so much fun of my own comprehension your inability to actually answer anything is astounding.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • One this is pugs position. I'd be more than happy to pull quotes from my previous conversation with them.

    Two explaining someone's position in simple terms is not a "strawman" and is a complete misunderstanding of the fallacy.

    You're not doing your namesake a lot of Justice are you? 😅

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Judging from the votes I'd say we're about equal.

    Misreading the timing from that moron was a mistake.

    However it doesn't support pugs position that the Democrats are solely majorly responsible for rise and acceptance in lgbtq and other minorities.

    That was not something to Democrats did and pug failed to provide Anything specific the Democrats did besides appoint a few of the Supreme Court Justices that were the ones that actually enhanced rights for lgbtq people.

    Have you considered your comprehension skills need a lot of work and that maybe you misinterpreted the thread?

    No somebody who would choose "Genius" as a username would have better comprehension skills then that.

    Edit:

    Changing a single word to better represent Pug's argument even though it doesn't change my response

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • What an asinine statement.

    People aren't voting because they're Marxist and they're taking a principal position against electoralism. People aren't voting because they know their vote doesn't count.

    People like me aren't the problem. My goal is to get people energized and involved in local politics which is vastly more important than the stupid electoral politics that this community keeps pushing. The Democrats lead us here and allowed this to happen. But yeah let's just keep giving them the keys to the kingdom because the other guys are worse

    What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

    harm reduction doesn't work if it did Trump wouldn't be in office.

    harm reduction isn't going to get people to vote people couldn't be arsed to vote in 2020/2024. You think shouting about harm reduction is going to get those people back in the voting booth?

    The DNC have systematically shut down the progressive wing and we have less progressives in office now than we did in 2016.

    Our institutions have abandoned us to the wolves and we need to build new ones. The faster y'all recognize that the faster that work can finish

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Yep let's keep voting in the people that promise to do something about it and then they do nothing about it like they've done for the last 20 plus years.

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • I worry about your comprehension if that's what you got from this thread

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • Riveting commentary from a self identified genius.

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  • Look you would have a point if it weren't for the fact that they were five other Democrats that supported mtg and all of them are pro Palestinian.

    Voting for stripping any money away is unequivocally a win when the country is responsible for a genocide.

    It's not infectious. I just really really really want my tax dollars to stop funding a genocide.

    As far as her voting consistently on the Iron Dome funding I'll go look into her voting record and report back because this is something I heard consistently. It's one of the places where her and Bernie Sanders seem to be weak.

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  • I don't care what's politically expedient. I don't care what's politically acceptable.

    I care about my Representatives standing up for what's morally acceptable.

    Continuing to give any sort of funds to a state committing genocide is tangential support of that genocide.

    I do not care that AOC has also voted down other Israel funding bills when she has been consistent on funding the Iron Dome.

    I do not care about her preconceived notions about how this would leave "Israelis defenseless". Israel is entirely surrounded by US military bases on all sides and is capable of manufacturing the Iron Dome missiles.

    Israel would simply need to use the $9 million already allocated to them ( for their genocide) instead of the $500 million of United States taxpayer money so that they can continue to be the most belligerent Empire in the Middle East.

    Edit:

    As you pointed out this vote was never going to win and so was symbolic. This would have been an easy win with her constituents with how unpopular Israel currently is instead she is currently doubling down and accusing people of being fake leftists for criticizing her position.

    Unfortunately she seems to have lost the plot

  • Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

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  • I stand by my statement.

    Yes the flawed voting system is a major problem which is why we should put no effort into maintaining it and should put all of our effort into maintaining local organizations to make up for the fact that our government wants to cut all social spending.

    The fascists are here. They aren't knocking down the door. They're in the White House. And the strategy of voting the Democrats to prevent the fascist from Gaining power has failed.

    The Democrats have learned no lessons and it's now up to the people to create a whole new system of power but if people are looking for something to do in the moment one should be focused on their local organizations that actually do something for their community instead of the DNC and other electoral political organizations that do nothing but waste people time on trying to stall the death of a Dying System that is already delivered us into the hands of fascists.

    Oh and if you're voting for the Democrats because they're supposed to save the minorities that's on the chopping block too. They're ready to sacrifice everybody for power.

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    1. Who was the tiebreaker vote? not a Democrat
    2. Those justices were not guaranteed to rule that way and it should not have required a supreme court action to ensure rights to gay marriage.

    Okay so the Democrats managed to appoint a couple of Supreme Court Justices that brought the balance to 5-4. Not that it matters because they squandered that with the win of the Trump Administration.

    You're giving the Democrats far too much credit for rights at the LGBT community fought for themselves. So what did the Democrats accomplish, instead of just not prosecuting lgbtq people? Did they do anything to help enshrine the rights of lgbtq people because I remember that being a major problem for the Democrats was that they weren't doing anything for for the lgbtq community.

    It's like when people give Henry Ford the credit for the 8-hour workday and not the unions that died fighting for that right.