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  • From what ive seen the phone providers are using googles backend software called “Google Jibe”

    A lot of them are. But Google is not the only option. There are carriers that roll their own solution, rater than using googles white label solution. Chinese carriers are for example offering RCS under the name of 5GMessaging and they aren’t using Jibe.

    Also by the fact that it doesnt work on degoogled phones you can surmise that google has the ability to disable or limit the feature on any device with google play services.

    but that’s a client problem, not a server problem. There are providers in some regions who offer their own apps that still work with custom roms. It’s just the Google Messaging app that does play services attestation. Almost everyone uses this client, but it is only almost everyone.

    I don’t disagree that there is some open washing going on, but that wasn’t your original claim. You stated that Google needs to approve any client and that’s just factually wrong.















  • What changes with the return of Chat Control 1.0—and what stays the same:

    • What is coming back: US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud.
    • What remains unchanged: Public social media posts and files hosted in cloud storage could already be scanned without this law. Furthermore, private messages can always be reported by users, or monitored by authorities using targeted, court-ordered wiretapping.
    • What is still NOT being scanned: End-to-end encrypted chats, such as those on WhatsApp, have always been exempt from these scans. Additionally, European providers of messaging and email services have never implemented chat control measures.

  • What changes with the return of Chat Control 1.0—and what stays the same:

    • What is coming back: US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud.
    • What remains unchanged: Public social media posts and files hosted in cloud storage could already be scanned without this law. Furthermore, private messages can always be reported by users, or monitored by authorities using targeted, court-ordered wiretapping.
    • What is still NOT being scanned: End-to-end encrypted chats, such as those on WhatsApp, have always been exempt from these scans. Additionally, European providers of messaging and email services have never implemented chat control measures.

  • They have. But he isn’t talking about the banking bit. He is talking about 2FA. Banks all over Europe have all but dropped SMSTan in favour of app based solutions. You need your banks app to authorise any transaction.

    The upside for this is (other than that the communication is encryted now while SMSs are not) that you see the transaction details on your phone while authorising which prevents certain types of scam.

    The problem is that this isn’t a standardised solution. Instead every bank either built its own thing or bought a white label solution from a different vendor. There is some EU legislation that would allow a motivated developer to built a banking app for your phone (and if you’re German then Saldo already exists) but that doesn’t matter because the 2FA problem means that you still need an Android or iOS device.