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Have you ever considered that the Prime Directive is not only not ethical, but also illogical, and perhaps morally indefensible?

  • Eby calls reported meeting between Alberta separatists and U.S. official ‘treason’

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  • is as threating if not more than military buildup.

    I really don't think that would hold up in court, and in any case it is irrelevant to whether the Alberta separatists are sharing military secrets, or doing anything that would meet Canada's legal definition of treason.

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  • As was pointed out when that was discussed earlier this week, no they aren't. They're trying to convince us that our military will be weaker if we don't buy their planes, and that they will have to pick up the slack.

    The administration isn't that bright. When they threaten military force, it won't be subtle.

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  • I think there would have to be an actual military buildup to make that stick.

    To be clear, I'm more than happy to call them colliquially treasonous...I just don't think elected officials should be throwing the term around too casually.

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  • Legally speaking? Almost certainly not.

    (2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,

    (a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province;

    (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;

    (c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a);

    (d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or

    (e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.

  • Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x04 "Vox in Excelso"

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  • Yeah, I thought both this and the "youth movement" angle of episode two worked well.

    As the cadets start venturing out into fieldwork more, they shouldn't have to make excuses quite so often. They can go find their own trouble, and Discovery will be undergoing a perpetual refit!

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  • I think they're probably fully aware, at least amongst their leadership. They'd already been offered the planet for free, after all.

    I think it was about respect, not trickery.

  • Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x04 "Vox in Excelso"

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  • The PD applies to all civilizations, but is more permissive with those that are already capable of FTL travel. When a species is out travelling the galaxy, you can interact and negotiate with them, but you can't directly interfere with their business.

    Caleb is leaning hard into the "pre-warp" side of it, as many fans tend to do, which is why he said those particular regulations don't apply. He's just conveniently ignoring the rest of the PD, assuming it's still in force in the 32nd century.

    Edit: I'm wrong - I was conflating Caleb's argument and the earlier debate about returning to pre-warp times. Caleb's argument isn't explained, and we funny get to hear what he's saying immediately before.

  • Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x04 "Vox in Excelso"

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  • I think the debate club is exactly the place for the conversation - Vance and Starfleet are following the PD. They've made the offer, been declined, and are...well, not respecting it, but obeying it. The worst you can say about them is that they're being persistent, trying to convince someone in the Klingon leadership structure to change their mind. That may be a little obnoxious, but I don't think it violates any Starfleet principles to give it a shot.

    That leaves the cadets to debate whether respecting the Klingons' wishes is a good thing in this case, and I don't think there's any indication that the debate has any weight to it - it's not going to affect Federation foreign policy.

    I liked that "good" debaters tended to fall back on Federation law and Starfleet regulations, whereas the message is to continue to treat people with respect to their culture and identity (even if that identity is sometimes muddled).

    it’s the obvious solution, and they should have thought of it so much earlier.

    I do agree, but (a) Starfleet's pretty out of practice with this stuff, and we saw in the premiere just how black-and-white they became during the Burn, and (b) if it doesn't work out...well, you've got a botched "Vulcan Hello" on your hands, which isn't great.

  • 35 Years Ago, Star Trek Retroactively Created New Canon, And No One Noticed

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  • Respectfully, I think this is a bit of a retcon of the retcon.

    "The Wounded" makes it seem like a fairly major conflict - certainly more than just "peacekeeping."

  • See The USS Athena Battle [SPOILERS] In Trailer For ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ Episode 4

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  • Jay-Den has been a breakout character for me, so I'm looking forward to this one.

    And yeah, it'll be good to check in with the Klingons in the 32nd century.

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  • I've been sitting on an essay concept for a few years now, all about how TNG was secretly (and unintentionally) about the end of an era of peace, and the Federation being shocked out of complacency.

    The retconned Cardassian war (and to a lesser extent, the Tzenkethi conflicts) is the biggest challenge to address, but their very existence kind of supports the underlying notion that things were never as good as is popularly believed.

    All of which is neither here nor there, and I think your point is a good one.

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  • Honestly the point of the article seems to be that changing canon is secondary to telling a really compelling sci-fi allegory story.

    I think that's exactly the point, and it's one that is often disregarded.

    And to be honest, the sudden retcon of the Cardassian wars is not very easy to square with the way the Federation was presented in early TNG, existing in an era of unprecedented peace. "Contradiction" might be a stretch, but it's inconsistent.

  • Why Only Humanoid Aliens…

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  • I would, yes - it's got the majority of the info.

  • Why Only Humanoid Aliens…

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  • The majority of the lore comes from the TNG episode - the Discovery season mostly deals with a hunt for the Progenitors' lost technology, with the main revelation being that the Progenitors had found it, not invented it, so the original life-giving entities remain unknown.

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  • They did address this to an extent, way back in TNG's "The Chase" - the TL;DR is that most sapient life in the galaxy was seeded by an ancient race, and therefore have some common ancestry. This was expanded upon somewhat in Discovery's fifth season.

  • Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x03 "Vitus Reflux"

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  • Interesting - it's possible we're drawing from different sources. I found this TrekMovie piece:

    He was supposed to be directing Genesis’s episode, actually, in season 2, but there was some conflict going on, and hopefully he’ll be back again. He’s the warmest, kindest person.

  • US warns they will send fighter jets into Canadian airspace if F-35 deal doesn’t go through | The Independent

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  • Yeah, this is already something they can (and do) do under the terms of NORAD.

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  • (The actor who plays Genesis recently let slip when asked about Jonathan Frakes, that he’d been originally scheduled to direct her character’s second season feature episode but there had been “fighting going on” and Frakes was pushed back to directing a later episode!)

    Oh interesting...I tracked this down, and it looks like she said "conflict," which could mean...just about anything, right down to simple scheduling conflicts.

    One thing's for certain: making TV is hard.

  • Preview Episode 4 Of ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ With 12 New Images From “Vox in Excelso”

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  • My first thought was debate class or something like that.

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