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Have you ever considered that the Prime Directive is not only not ethical, but also illogical, and perhaps morally indefensible?

  • Early Picard seemed to be going that way,

    Discovery went there in its first season, with the Federation prepared to sell its soul to win the war until they found another (problematic) way.

    The post-Burn 32nd Century is coming at it from the other side, with SFA in particular reckoning with some of the choices that were made during the period when everything was falling apart.

  • The latter too closely resembles “American exceptionalism”

    Yeah, I've always found the "Starfleet must always be in the right" mentality to be patronizing at best, imperialistic at worst.

  • Is there any evidence at all of the writers of the more recent series not having "freedom," or of corporate interference in the shows?

  • I don't think that planet was portrayed as a particularly idyllic place...

  • I'd say they took it even further than that - the reason they were in that all-too-relevant "past" to begin with was that they had travelled back in time to an inflection point that could lead to a global descent into fascism.

  • True, but I assume that if there were an obvious successor waiting in the wings, the result would have been...at least less lopsided.

  • I look forward to analyses. Was it a lack of clear alternatives, or is their base so far gone that they genuinely think he's their guy?

  • I think that arrogant, quasi-imperialistic has always been simmering in the background of the Federation, so I wasn't too surprised to see them arguing over this - and, to be clear, the actual debate was always amongst the students. Vance was determined to convince the Klingons to accept asylum, but "compelling" them did not seem to be seriously on the table.

    Esri Dax’s excellent critique of the Klingon Empire

    That's an interesting point. If I were to come up with a counter-argument, I suppose it would be that the Klingons' readiness to do this ritualistic faux combat shows some growth - they're willing to settle for performing their culture and feeling respected, rather than endure actual warfare. A smarter person than me could probably find parallels in many modern cultural practices.

  • It’s not as if the Burn expunged all records of Klingon-Federation relations and the Federation had to rebuild from illuminated manuscripts copied by monks.

    No, but I don't think there's any era that we've seen in which the Federation would stage an act of aggression as a diplomatic overture. Even in this episode, no one seemed sure it was going to work (and it may not have, were it not for Ake's personal connection to Obel).

    the solution was that obvious.

    I do agree - they probably telegraphed it a little too hard.

  • Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

  • I would be fine with that - "shit is fucked" isn't a crime with a specific legal definition!

  • “The SIU’s investigative jurisdiction is limited to those incidents involving officials where there is a serious injury, death, allegation of sexual assault or discharge of a firearm by an official at a person,” Denette said.

    Weeeeeeaaaaaaak shit

  • They did say they had been using "dilithium reactors" on multiple worlds.

  • I think Darem's biggest issue was his drive to be the best, and he pretty much got over that last week. Other than that...IDK, he's a bro, and I think he behaved as a bro this week.

    (no need for spoiler tags in the discussion threads!)

  • Yeah, unfortunately I don't see anything there about FIFA actually considering it...

  • What's not true, DS9 being syndicated?

    That's verifiable fact...hell, DS9 premiered several months before UPN even existed.

  • I have a small correction to what you've been told: like TNG before it, DS9 was syndicated. The first series to be exclusive to UPN was Voyager. That doesn't mean cost isn't a relevant issue, though.

  • I'm describing Eby's use of the word casual, as I don't think he, as an elected official, should be accusing people of crimes - especially those with an extraordinarily high bar.

    Do I think the Alberta separatists are wrong? Yes.

    Do I consider it a betrayal? Yes.

    Am I fine with the average person on the street using the word "treason" to describe it. Sure.

    Do I think elected officials should do the same? No.

  • Is there really a credible source on that? I wouldn't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that they change course now.

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