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  • Nothing justifies it, but if you want to know why it happened you're going to have to look before October 7th. Decades and decades before it even. And you'll have to be honest about all the things Israel has done, all the people they've killed (way more than 1,000 btw), and all the land they've taken. And that they continued to do so recently, even before October 7th.

  • I'm pretty sure Israel doing something to the Al Aqsa mosque kicked it up this time.

  • Ya know, if I had to hide in shelters from rocket attacks almost everyday, witnessing a stabbing that happened right next to a date I was having, etc, I'd probably be pretty fucking jaded as well.

    That's hilariously quaint next to life as a Palestinian. Hell, a stabbing? That's quaint next to life in the hood of the USA. Maybe ask her to consider the Palestinian perspective next. They lost their land and haven't been able to return. 78% of their water is bad. They can't control their borders, imports, or exports. They can be held for months without trial or charge. The noise is so bad from the buzz of drones they can't sleep. Israel restricts their calories to the bare minimum (calls it "putting them on a diet"). They raid their areas occasionally to kill some people and take more prisoners (call it "mowing the grass"). They bomb their hospitals, apartment buildings, refugee camps, and other civilian infrastructure. They get their trees and agriculture pulled by Israeli settlers who get defended by troops. Unemployment is rampant. Israel controls their electricity, which doesn't work multiple times a day, their trash, and all other parts of their infrastructure. All they have is unguided rockets that occasionally kill their own, while Israel has a state of the art rocket defense system that prevents almost all of their deaths, jets, bombs, helicopters, and always the latest in military gear and tech. The Palestinians are maimed en masse during peaceful protests like the Great March of Return. The list goes on and on.

    The Nazi comparison is right. Imagine some Nazi saying they're thankful the government is moving the Jews away from them by putting them on these trains. It's more of a buffer zone from the scary Jewish ghettos. They bring up the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and how they saw people die from the scary Jews.

    That's basically what she was saying. There's no concern for the citizens at all, and no realization that the "scary" situation is completely of their own making due to their own occupation and blockade of civilians, who will then rightly get angrier and angrier as time passes without a solution allowing their own sovereignty.

  • Israel had been killing people, occupying territory, and illegally expanding settlements since long before fore Hamas was a thing. If they didn't want Hamas to exist next to them, they shouldn't have been doing all that stuff before.

  • Beautiful!

  • So the part I don't get is how a lot of these countries end up with the same leaders for life? You think if they were so democratic that they'd change out occasionally. I know the USSR changed leaders a few times after Stalin and not sure what's happening with Cuba now, I think they just put in term limits, but before that there was Stalin for decades, Fidel Castro for decades, Mao, now Xi Jinping, etc. Keeping one leader for that long gives an opportunity for them to centralize power.

    I also worry that so many representative layers dilutes the people's will from the bottom to the top, but to be honest, I have no idea of that's true or just a gut feeling. I'd have to see some study, like the one that showed that popular will doesn't seem to affect whether something happens in the US unless rich people are also for it lol.

    Other than that, it sounds pretty good. I definitely have to do more research in that European democracy movement. We could definitely do with some more democracy in the US (less gerrymandering, no electoral college, etc.). Thanks for the explanations!

  • Thanks! So this is what people mean by alternatives to liberal bourgeois democracy. Because I've always wondered what possible alternative to liberal democracy there could be that isn't just authoritarianism, which just sounds plain worse.

    I seem to be in the minority whenever I bring it up, but I do like the idea of essentially removing political parties (because those seem to be terrible in the states) and channeling organizing through different ways instead of a limited set of private company cliques. As long as the mass organizations are democratic themselves and offer education and avenues for change, that's a good thing. Only thing is you need to have an idea of what the candidates will do when elected since you can't just rely on the trust of a political party who's ideals you believe in. Do the little notice boards they put out during elections in Cuba have their voting history, or just like their personalities and jobs? I've been meaning to look more into if democracy without political parties is possible.

    Tbh, this seems similar to the US if they outlawed campaigning, political parties, and PAC's. They already have various organizations that endorse candidates (NRA, unions, ACLA, AIPAC, NAACP, churches, etc), so I guess those would be like the mass organizations or does that analogy not work?

  • Unfortunately it's a lot easier to destroy things than it is to build things =(

  • I heard elections don't matter in Cuba because only one party is allowed, or at least any candidate has to be approved by the party, and all the representatives get elected anyway, so it's pointless. It does seem like if you don't know the names and opposition candidates don't run, like the elections for judges or whatever in my local elections, people will just end up picking everybody. They also don't allow international observers. Afraid of spies from the US messing with the process maybe?

  • I was making a joke about right-wingers calling every slightly social, pro-labor, feminist, or anti-racist policy (basically anything that isn't taxes for the rich) "communist".

    They even called Biden a communist 🤦

  • Wait are you talking about caring about the workers? Hm... Idk... Sounds like communism to me 😠

  • Sounds like it's a similar charge for her. She was implicated in some kind of conspiracy against the government, including getting sanctions on them and possible assassinations, as well as corruption and fermenting violent protests. It could all be faked or trumped up, but it is interesting that everybody here is assuming it is while the US literally is going through the same thing right now, except we might end up with a fascist President if we don't get him off the fucking ballot.

  • You realize they've been sanctioned to shit for decades by the US, right? That makes them extremely vulnerable to price changes to oil, their basically only economic export. They probably should be diversifying more, though.

  • From what I can tell, conspiracy (against the government), inciting violent protests, and corruption. It's weird they don't say it in the article. But she says the protests were supposed to be peaceful and some of the conspiracy evidence was faked, which it might be, idk, I wasn't in the court room.

    But considering the US is still doing shit like this, I could see why they have to be paranoid.

  • Her party tried to rob a military arsenal, she was charged with a conspiracy and corruption, and so she can't run. It went through their courts. It all seems legal, considering people in the US can't run for similar reasons. It might be corrupt, idk, but the US doesn't have a leg to stand on with corrupt courts. Why sanction other countries, which always affects the regular citizens, for this stuff we can't even figure out ourselves?

  • Now they're going to make Venezuela people poorer for not fixing problems we can't even fix in our damn country? It seems hypocritical. Hell, people should sanction us for allowing a fascist insirrectiomist run for President against the law ofnour Constitution. That's way worse for the world.

  • They've already been dying. There's basically been a war ongoing for decades, as they've slowly put the area under siege and taken territory and killed and imprisoned people. It's just the international community has ignored it.

    How did they push it into civilian centers? They aimed for a military base. I don't know why Israel allowed a music festival right next to there. It's more like Israel has been pushing civilian centers into them as they slowly but steadily take territory and put their own settlers on Palestinian land.

    I don't think this was a good option. You're putting words in my mouth and I don't appreciate that. I really think Hamas fucked up with October 7th. What I think is that Hamas probably won't exchange their hostages, whichever ones they have left that haven't starved to death or died from Israeli bombs, because it's their only bargaining chip now.

  • Oh they definitely fucked up. You won't hear any argument on that from me. We all saw it coming that day. But if I was them, I would also realize that it becomes especially worthless if they lose all their hostages, too.