PugJesus

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You're defending fascism as usual, I see.

but if you turn around and rely on right wing paramilitaries to suppress your opposition then it’s not really legitimate.

'The opposition' here meaning... people literally attempting a coup.

PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

Rosa Luxemburg, in fact, voted against the Spartacist Uprising and to participate in elections instead.

But that's inconvenient, so db0 doesn't care.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

I was talking about the OP, but don’t let me stop you from lying through your teeth :D

Sorry for remembering a conversation that happened a whole two days ago, I know that's past your ability to recall.

PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

There is a huge difference between making an adequate decision and simply detecting that the current decision is shitty and starting wrath.

I strongly disagree.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

How are the masses supposed to keep them in line if they're too stupid to make adequate decisions? If it worked like you claim it does, then the Vangaurd Party would just be an instrument of the popular will, bowing to the wrath of the ill-informed masses.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

All institutions act according to their interests; by reducing decision-making to a small group, you necessarily create the conditions in which that institution will make decisions according to their interests, and not the interests of the masses. This conflict between the masses and the institution results in instability, and damages any attempt at creating long-term change.

Vanguard parties are self-defeating; they presage nothing but the rule of that selfsame vanguard.

PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

does goat send you asshole DMs too?

That's the kind of response I would expect from someone who's incapable of reading what I wrote.

But no, I've been lucky enough to be spared that, though Goat doing so caused me to unsubscribe from MOG.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

The accusation you made was it was a centrally plotted KPD bolshevik coup, when the evidence from the time shows that it was not.

Sweetie, your illiteracy is showing again. This is the accusation I made, and I quote:

The elections hadn’t happened yet. That’s what the Spartacist uprising was trying to prevent - upcoming elections that they were not even barred from running in.
But tell me more about how the only response to an anti-democratic coup was to roll over and let the People’s Fascists™ execute everyone and suppress democracy.
The KPD literally voted on the subject, lmao. Talk about ignorance - or willingly spreading lies. It’s difficult to tell with fascists.
Yes, Luxemburg herself thought it was a bad idea and voted against it. Luxemburg voted, in fact, to participate in the upcoming elections, which is, according to red fascists like you, bourgeois. Damn that neolib Luxemburg!
She was outvoted by the KPD leadership, which preferred a coup.

Sorry that you're incapable of parsing any sentence that isn't asspatting fascism. I understand it's a serious condition.

You’ve got it wrong, I despise the way you behave while acting like you’re educated. Should have been clear the first time.

The way I behave being... calling you out on spreading disinformation in service to fascist ideals?

Wow, what a terrible way for an educated person to act. I see why a fascist bootlicker like you hates it.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

You seem mad, maybe if you re-read the source you would see that I cited one of the top Luxemburg scholars alive today, who was in turn citing the original 1919 inquiry itself.

You seem illiterate; if you re-read the source you would see it attempts to cite Heinrich August Winkler in support of its position despite his well-known opposition to that kind of KPD apologism. If you were literate, you might also note that nowhere does the report or the article (despite its attempt at apologism) refute the idea that the Spartacist Uprising was an attempted coup along Bolshevik lines approved by and participated in by the KPD. You, on the other hand, say

The whole “Bolshevik coup” line is just historical revisionism.

And then attempt to cite a source that says nothing to support you - but it sounded nice and asspatting towards the KPD, so of course your illiterate ass loved it.

‘history major’

Yes, I get it, you despise education. You made it clear the first time.

PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

I’m opposed to all states, I’m stuck in the US so I oppose its genocidal warmongering 😎

Yet you consistently defend other genocidal warmongering states, what a curious form of opposition! Bootlicking Nazis, but saying it's okay because you oppose Italian fascists - what a principled individual you are!

Oh, no, wait, you're just a bootlicking fascist who plays apologist for genocide if they wear the right 'team colors'.

It's also cute that this comes in response to being called out for your Americentrism. Everything revolves around the US to you. Rather typical product of the American school system, ironically. Internalized all the lessons, just swapped the team colors. Instead of opposition to genocide, all you understand is opposition to one flag or another.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

The whole “Bolshevik coup” line is just historical revisionism. Even the Prussian government’s own inquiry admitted the January events weren’t plotted by the KPD — it was mass strikes and councils spiraling beyond anyone’s control

Holy fucking shit, even your apologism is pathetic. Citing Heinrich August Winkler as proof against the KPD's coup, when Winkler was one of the most prominent voices against GDR apologism for the Spartacist Uprising? What, did the councils put a gun to Karl Liebknecht's head and make him and dozens of other KPD leaders vote for escalating the protests into a coup attempt?

If your idea of “democracy” is ballots in one hand and Freikorps in the other, you’re just proving my point.

The Freikorps were widely distrusted by the SPD, but like I said - you think that the only response to an attempted fascist coup should have been for the SPD to present themselves for execution. Fascists like you love it when democracy gives up without any attempt to fight back.

The roman empire guy who hangs out at the nazi bar curated by the nazi goat sending unsolicited asshole pictures is in no position to call anyone a fascist lmao

"You can't call anyone a fascist, you" [checks notes] "posted in a comm where tankies were criticized"

Yeah, that about tracks for fascist bootlickers like you. Does the blood of the genocided taste good, or is it the leather that you truly love?

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

Wild how every argument with you speedruns straight to hyper-fixating on what Americas enemies are doing.

The argument here is literally about the Uyghur genocide, but nice try to whataboutism it around to your Americentric obsession.

I would never play apologist for the fascist states of America and their genocidal war on the Palestinian people, You were the one spending all your energy browbeating everyone expressing disgust with genocide Joe and bomber Harris.

I love how here you completely avoid the accusation in favor of whataboutism.

America is going down a very fascist path and supporting Israel's genocide of Palestine. Sadly, you think that somehow justifies playing apologist for China going down a fascist path and genociding Uyghurs, or the genocide of Ukrainians.

I guess it's GOOD genocide, unlike Israel's BAD genocide!

Funny hearing lectures on “what anarchism is” from a social democrat who’s more interested in purity testing leftists on lemmy than building anything outside the ballot box.

Building parallel systems is something that I've repeatedly praised on here, but I understand that that's inconvenient to your interest in attempting to paint me as trying to 'purity test' by insisting that genocide and fascism is Bad, Actually.

Keep licking boots, fascist, it's all you're capable of, apparently.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

The SPDs record is anti-democratic, they used elections to legitimize themselves then unleashed paramilitaries to crush organized workers.

The elections hadn't happened yet. That's what the Spartacist uprising was trying to prevent - upcoming elections that they were not even barred from running in.

But tell me more about how the only response to an anti-democratic coup was to roll over and let the People's Fascists(tm) execute everyone and suppress democracy.

Revolutionary democracy is more than just fucking ballots and voting. The entire point is mass participation, self organization and ongoing struggle.

Curious that seems to so often be an excuse to disregard the clearly expressed will of the vast majority of the population. It turns out that your "Revolutionary democracy" actually means "A vanguardist clique whose conclusions are always referred to as the will of the people, no matter how many people actually express opposition".

The January uprising wasn’t a Bolshevik-style coup. It was a mass revolt sparked by SPD repression, which the KPD didn’t even plan

The KPD literally voted on the subject, lmao. Talk about ignorance - or willingly spreading lies. It's difficult to tell with fascists.

and which Luxemburg herself thought was premature.

Yes, Luxemburg herself thought it was a bad idea and voted against it. Luxemburg voted, in fact, to participate in the upcoming elections, which is, according to red fascists like you, bourgeois. Damn that neolib Luxemburg!

She was outvoted by the KPD leadership, which preferred a coup.

‘history major’

Yes, it is quite apparent that you, like so many other fascists, are 'tired of experts' getting in the way of your masturbatory totalitarian fantasies.

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

I dont see how unruffled is denying anything there merely pointing out that starving a entire population to death is on a different level to (still wrong keep in mind) more gradual chipping away of culture.

"More gradual chipping away of culture" being mass sterilization, concentration camps, forced labor, suppression of Uyghur language, the destruction of cultural artifacts, literal settler colonialism, kidnapping children to place with Han families...

Very gradual, much chipping away, wow.

You also don't see how claiming that the Uyghur genocide (and putting genocide in quotes, implying that it's not a 'real' genocide, for that fucking matter) is overblown and exaggerated is denying anything?

And no frankly I dont need cherry picked “examples”, the prevailing attitude on /0 is against denials of those events and taking a anti tankie stance.

Ah yes, the fact that they're highly upvoted anywhere outside of dbzer0's tankiejerk - including on flippanarchy and leftie memes - is completely irrelevant. None of the examples or evidence matters, only your feelings matter.

And again neolib “democracy” is a bad joke.

I'm sorry, did you not read what I wrote?

What part of the post-WW1 German elections, in a state which had not formed anything more than borders and a proposal for elections, whose electoral design was similar to the contemporary post-revolutionary Russian elections which ushered in a 90% socialist legislature, 'neolib'?

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PugJesus @lemmy.world 4mo ago

Believe it or not, passing your online purity tests about geopolitics is not what makes someone an anarchist.

Yes, it is quite apparently that you regard playing apologist for fascist states performing genocide as completely in-line with anarchism, bizarre as it is. I guess 'purity testing' is 'questioning whether simping for fascism is really compatible with anarchist thought', especially considering that you openly support .ml's removal of anything critical of fascist states.

Your use of ‘tankie’ is just ‘disagrees with me from the left’ and it’s been on full display.

Ah, so defending genocide is a leftist position now. It must be the People's Genocide.