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OccamsRazer

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  • If you don't acknowledge the difference between war and murdering someone in cold blood without warning, then there isn't any point continuing this conversation. Also I hope for your sake that you don't cross paths with anyone who thinks like you do, but has different opinions.

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  • Those aren't about murdering fellow citizens because of what they say.

  • Trump ally Charlie Kirk shot at campus event in Utah

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  • Ah, so then we should kill approximately half of the country? And all of the Jews in Israel? I can't believe I'm having this conversation...

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  • Dude you are sick

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  • Nuremberg was after the holocaust. You can't just skip over the fact that Charlie Kirk has not instigated a holocaust, nor can you assume that he would have. That's not even a logical fallacy, it's simply not even true. Accusing me of a logical fallacy is rich in irony. Seriously, it's so dumb I don't even know what to say.

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  • Oof. I'd say it's too soon, but that's clearly not the case on lemmy... But also yes that's a fair question.

  • Trump ally Charlie Kirk shot at campus event in Utah

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  • No he most likely declared him to be a fascist, making it perfectly justified in his mind. Also I'm not a pro genocide zionist.

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  • Well yeah, but the problem is who gets to decide what a fascist is, what the criteria is for identifying one. It's pretty easy for individuals to convince themselves of the righteousness of their own opinions, to the point where you start justifying vigilantism.

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  • Well in this example one guy is dead. Hard to get less tolerant than murdering someone because of their opinions.

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  • Accountability? You mean murdering people you disagree with? Explain again to me how free speech is the seed of... authoritarianism? That's some crazy mental gymnastics. And what laws did Charlie Kirk break?

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  • Yeah well that's a better example than the American revolution anyway, but I guess I view revolution against government as being a little different than murder of a citizen exercising their right to free speech. The French revolution also was fighting to establish a democracy, wherein people could freely exchange ideas and contribute to the shape of government. Democracy doesn't work if people murder each other instead of discussing things and using your vote to shape government. Violence must be prohibited and overwhelmingly condemned or it devolves into a zero sum game. This isn't a victory for the left, this is a loss for society, further degradation of our republic.

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  • They fought a war against an opposing army, not by assassinating people exercising their right to discuss opinions and ideas. In fact they fought FOR the right to have opinions and ideas and to express them. They thought it was so important to protect that right, that they put it into the bill of rights, which specifically states that the right to free speech transcends government. The government that they wanted could only exist if people could freely exchange ideas without fear of being murdered (or imprisoned) for them. That's why its a particularly bad example.

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  • That's messed up. Can't believe the world is like this now, where we celebrate the death of people we don't like.

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  • No your example is just really really bad

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  • You don't get to just kill people that you suspect are evil. This isn't some complicated ethical dilemma.

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  • Since you brought it up, do you have any numbers to support that?

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  • The irony of using the American revolution to justify murdering people for speaking their opinion...

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  • The law protects free speech, which is the cornerstone of democracy. Answering free speech with violence is the opposite of democracy. Any society based on our allowing murdering people that you disagree with is doomed to fail.

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  • Ideological assassinations are a huge step in the wrong direction. Once you open the door to violence in place of speech and exchange of ideas, it's a bad place. Everyone should condemn this. Do you honestly believe it's a good idea to start killing people? Who is next? It's not always going to be people you disagree with, and ANY murders need to be condemned.