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  • I think perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

    I need to reiterate that your former colleague is just living within the system we have, and I can't make personal comment on whether or not he's done any of the worse things I mentioned.

    Initially, it was him and his wife, yes. Though they now have a decent sized company with a few hundred employees.

    How is this not proving my point?

    He has a decent sized company, that generates profits for him from the labour of their workers, who share in a smaller share of those profits. And this is the typical arrangement. I think it's pretty hard to argue that (in most cases) the amount of profit people generate vs what they get paid is just.

    I'm sure he's worked hard - well, I guess he has - but it can't be denied that his excess wealth is only possible because of other people's continued labour.

    if he should keep all the work and wealth to himself

    This is fundamentally what we disagree on. He didn't "share" the work. He had an idea, worked hard on that idea, and then hired other people in order to grow his company and make more money. That's capitalism, and people pretend as if it's the only way we can structure society. As if innovation would stop existing without the profit motive.

    Innovation would happen regardless. The profit motive only "drives innovation" because that's how we've structured things to work. I also find the claim doesn't hold water because a huge portion of innovations are already from publically funded university research which otherwise wouldn't be funded.

    Currently a few people profit massively off other people's labour, and looking at wealth inequality, and pay inequality, it's getting worse and worse every year.

    Unless one has the opinion than a tiny percentage of the population is thousands of tens-of-thousands times more productive and deserving than everyone else, then it's kind of hard to argue the current state of the world makes sense.

    I have no issue with some people making more money than others to reflect their harder work. But only to a point. The profit motive seems like a stupid way to do this though, because it's also pretty plain to see that innovating is probably not even the main way more profit is achieved.

    Monopolies, dark patterns, price gouging, wage theft off-shoring and other anti-competitive behaviours are far more common paths.

    Again, nothing against your former colleague personally, as I don't know him.

  • $500 million purely in sales of software he wrote alone? That would be a feat for sure.

    Nothing against him personally, just that buy-in-large this former colleague of yours would be an outlier, the ultra wealthy generally generate profits off the backs of other people's work.

    The part that's wrong isn't doing well and making money, it's advocating against taxing corporations way more than we are, lobbying for loopholes, and engaging in rent seeking behaviour. Which is extremely, extremely common. Having some kind of cap on how much wealth you can amass seems sensible to me.

    I'm sure he's worked hard and done well for himself, but are we really suggesting that once you have money, you don't "make your money work for you"? What that phrase really means is you can invest, which is only possible because of other people's work at the end of the day.

    Yes, I am doubting a bit that after his real work of creating a product, that the rest of the money he's made is directly from that work, or made possible by a system that in general is profiting of the working class.

    At a certain point allowing people to have vast sums of money is antithetical to democracy, which seems almost self-evident to most people no matter their other political views.

    So no, your former work colleague hasn't done anything wrong, but doesn't mean it's a great way for us to structure society. Gestures broadly to everything

  • All of the world's billionaires have amassed their wealth off other people's labour.

    If you can name me ONE billionaire who hasn't, I'll be extremely shocked. One billionaire who just worked for their money.

    Selling something to investors is indirectly profiting off others labour, just in advance. You think the investors pull up their sleeves and generate billions? Lol. No no, they get workers to make whatever business profitable.

    Some billionaires may have created something worthwhile (Taylor Swift, for example), even she has an army of workers who make her continued career possible. (Even though she definitely was a "self-made" billionaire starting without massive capital).

    Billions is so much you can practically never spend it. And no one can work literally >1000x (or much, much more) harder than someone else. Or generate something so worthwhile they deserve billions.

    You don't need the profit motive for people to create great things. The creator of insulin sold the patent for $1. And countries like Denmark (while still be capitalists) are proof that more people would be entrepreneurial if they have more of a safety net to try. We're probably missing out of tonnes of innovation simply because the person hasn't been given the chance through education or they're in poverty.

    And we only have poverty because we live in a system where you can amass unlimited wealth, on the backs of everyday people, instead of the workers sharing in the profits of their labour.

    Without the labour of others, or the proceeds from the labour of others (advertising, investment, etc), it's impossible to make a billion dollars.

  • We could abolish billionaires entirely. No one needs a billion dollars. No one "earns" a billion dollars.

  • We really ought to do more processing here. It's pretty silly that we ship of raw resources

  • It's because they don't give a shit about accountability or democracy.

  • The second-level comment is.

    "It's not okay to be Israeli" is a different statement than: Israelis are doing xyz and are bad for it.

    I do agree that in most cases this doesn't need to be specified, but "It's not okay to be Israeli" is a blanket statement against individuals.

    I suggest we stop talking further though, as it does not seem we disagree very much.

  • It's a fair generalisation of the Israeli polity. The same way I judge Japan as a country for never really apologising for their warcrimes, but never hold it against an individual.

    That's just prejudice.

    That being said, fuck Israel, and fuck these stupid laws that may end up in criticism of a state being illegal.

  • The IHRA definition of anti-Semitism is fucking stupid.

    Anyone arguing criticism of a STATE is racist is fucking stupid.

  • Fuckwit

  • I dunno about you, but I'd much rather take a vitamin D supplement/vitamin E fortified foods, than get skin cancer

  • I hate the fact I can't use my own 2FA app (Kepass)

    I don't like the idea of losing access to my myGov account just because I lost my phone...

  • It's fucking insane how much of government work is outsourced.

    This is just the latest shocking example. :(

  • This feels illegal!

  • Where is the goddamn ACCC? I swear they do a good thing once in a blue moon, if that...

  • This would be incredibly easy to get a refund for under Australian consumer law, at least.

    Not that I believe most people would do this.

    Nor that any fines will be handed down for this despicable behaviour...

  • Even better option, break up the duopoly.

  • I reckon the Liberal party is toast.

    My bets are the nationals end up defecting for One Nation.

    With luck the Teals will fill the Liberal power vacuum, because let's face it, they're Liberals who believe gay people and climate change exist. They hate the working class the same amount.

    They'd slot right into the voter base.

    At least politics will overall shift less conservative.

    Maybe Labor will actually do something other than tinkering around the edges for a change. (Some positive stuff, a bunch of meh stuff, and some of really, really terrible stuff out of them this term).

    Hopefully they actually make massive gains for the working class like they did many, many decades ago now.

    They're a centre-right party now, sadly :/

  • Go ask the vast majority of Australians this same question and you'll get roughly the same answer: because the number of guns in the community makes it more likely to be stolen and more likely to fall into the hands of people who will misuse those guns.

    It's the fact people can get access to guns, which is literally what happened at Bondi. The cunts had recreational licenses. Are you going to tell me with a straight face that it would not have been harder for them if recreational licenses didn't exist? They legally owned those guns.

    This isn't America, the debate you're having is no where near you side in this country. People don't generally think you have a right to have a gun for fun. I would be willing to bet many people will judge you here for even being a hobbyist gun owner. As they should.

    The actual hobby doesn't bother me. I don't doubt you won't hurt anyone. But you're lying to yourself and everyone if you're going to try and deny the risk to the community recreational licenses present.

    Its the number of guns out there and the ease of access that presents the risk.

    In conclusion, get a new hobby. I'm in no way apologising for that position and it's very self-centred if you can't accept that allowing hobbyist gun ownership is a risk to the community, just because it's fun for you.

    It would suck for you if recreational licenses hopefully get removed one day, I get that, but seriously. You need to suck it up.

    I hope we don't need to have another massacre before we finally get rid of hobby licenses, and I think it's ridiculous that wasn't included in these law changes, considering that's how the weapons were acquired in the first place.

    Guns are necessary, but for fun? Nope.

  • I'm not a lawyer, and don't know what the law is about telling people to break the law, so to be clear, I'm not telling people to break the law.

    But when you look back at history, sometimes people have had to break the law when it's fucking stupid, and make it unenforceable by popular will.

    If you don't stand up before it's too late, then things will get worse.

    These new laws at the state and federal levels are an affront to the principles of democracy and freedom of speech.

    I hope that Sydney-siders do the ring thing this weekend.

    Turns out: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-20/nsw-police-update-on-public-assembly-restriction-declaration-law/106248964

    Bur it's dumb that the police have this power in the first place.

  • Australian Politics @aussie.zone

    When can I take advantage of the Fair Work Amendment (Protecting Penalty and Overtime Rates) Bill 2025?

    www.abc.net.au /news/2025-07-24/labor-seeks-to-legislate-to-protect-penalty-rates/105565016