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  • Disabled people are. This reply is beneath you.

    Yes it's the existence of a disability that pissed BlackRedGuard off and not the onxionous displays of hard-headed whiteness

    I was replying to your comment there, not BRG's. The marginalized identity being potentially harmed here by the contextless statement in the tweet "a lot of slaveowners were disabled" is disabled people, not white people who are not marginalized.

    No you're not "saying" that's what he's doing, you're just implying it

    I'm saying he may not have meant to do it, but it in my opinion had the effect of promoting ableism. This is separate from the racial aspect and does not take away from the point there.

    "the existence of disability doesn't negate the impact of racial abuse" (which you happen to agree with by the way) yet BRG is still somehow in the wrong because...implications... Ok.

    If this was BRG's point (which makes sense) then I agree with it. However, I feel it was expressed in a careless way which harms disabled people. That may not have been the intent, but sadly it may have been the effect. This doesn't negate the racial trauma behind it, or indeed the correctness of the point that black people have a right to be traumatized by slurs regardless of the intent behind them.

    As I said in my reply to you in the other sub-thread, I don't think I'm going to be able to reply to you further in this discussion without hurting you and myself more. This is a difficult and traumatic topic for everyone involved and I don't want to keep triggering those issues for both you and myself when I don't feel we're going to resolve this with this conversation.

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  • They don't deserve a quick death. Make them pay for what they've done.

    I didn't really want to get into it in this thread, so I responded to the initial comment with a light-hearted joke about killing slave owners (well, it's a joke but slave owners did deserve to be killed of course). However, the underlying implication in that comment (and also in yours I think) that living with disability is a fate worse than death did bother me and does IMO express a very normalized form of ableism.

    I want to make sure to be 100% clear that I am not accusing you or @deforestgump@hexbear.net of being malicious here. As I said, this notion is normalized and structurally integrated into most societies today. I just wanted to make this comment because I felt that it was important to point out. Disability isn't a punishment that's greater than death (and the idea that it is has been used to enable genocide - though again, I don't mean to accuse you of this of course). Disabled people are still alive and their lives have equal worth to those of people who have no disabilities (although it's more proper to say no disabilities so far, since many disabled people are disabled by circumstance and not birth).

    I love that image by the way, it gets me every time.

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  • There's already been one disabled black girl harassed off social media for explaining that coprolalia is real and John Davidson is not a racist for his outburst.

    Well, I hadn't heard of this and that's just depressing.

    Again, the pain people feel here is very real, on "both sides" (they're not really sides in reality of course). I wish there was a way to fix these things easily, but with these types of trauma involved people (on "both sides") have reasonable and understandable reactions that can make discussion very difficult.

    So I'm going to do the only thing I can, which is defend disabled people and not budge an inch. I'm not going to be abusive, but I refuse to back down because the person I'm talking to has a different identity, unless we're going to start applying that to the disabled.

    I understand.

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  • I didn't mean to condescend to you and I'm sorry if I did. I don't think I'm going to be able to reply to you further in this discussion without hurting you and myself more. This is a difficult and traumatic topic for everyone involved and I don't want to keep triggering those issues for both you and myself when I don't feel we're going to resolve this with this conversation.

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  • I appreciate you taking the time to discuss this with me like this. I can't guarantee I'll have the energy to reply when you do, but I'll try even though it might not be immediate.

    Though there's a chance this thread will end up locked, I suppose.

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  • I wasn't aware white people were marginalized

    Disabled people are. This reply is beneath you.

    Suure, BlackRedGuard is "harming" ALL marginalized by pointing out basic historical facts

    Yes, reinforcing the practice of pointing out "facts" without context that might disparage marginalized people harms marginalized people including black people.

    Edit: white people strip "facts" and "statistics" of context all the time to serve racist purposes. I'm not saying that's necessarily BRG's intent here (to deliberately promote ableism), but I am saying that we shouldn't pretend stating inflammatory "facts" without context is a neutral act. Normalizing this practice has real harmful impacts for all marginalized people.

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  • People came in in bad faith, refusing to even entertain the notion that they could possibly be wrong. Why am I obligated to be comradely to people who literally do not believe in medical science about disabilities?

    I agree with you. People did come in in bad faith and with zero understanding of the disability. However, that bad faith came from the very real harm they suffered due to the issues of race involved. That's why I think it's more productive to be comradely here, so we can avoid unintentionally inflicting further racial trauma on people AND so that we can maybe work through these issues in productive ways. I think your anger and frustration here is totally fair, and I share it. But the anger and frustration of other people in the conversation is real and valid too.

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  • "distasteful" is that what you call it, cool

    I call it distasteful because it was ambiguous and clarified in later comments (it was just about standpoint epistemology being wrong, not meaning to equate the black people who are upset to gusanos). That ambiguousness of course does harm PoC who had to read the comment (presumably including you) and that is wrong and should be avoided.

    as I pointed out in that thread 99% of people suffering from Tourettes do not unconsciously scream slurs at Black people

    You're just wrong. Some other people who suffer from the type and severity that this man suffered from would obviously do this. This is why you're facing so much backlash, you are just wrong about the disability issues which are involved, and you seem to be insisting again that there is something specially racist about this man that makes him different from other people with tourette's and that's why he's saying slurs.

    I was talking about an individual's specific condition, which apprreoanlty induced him to be racist, RACISM THE VERB, not simply the mindset you dense crackers, his intent is irrelevant; what matters is the harm he perpetrated and how that harm was mitigated (or in this case, not mitigated) in the aftermath

    This, however, is a better explanation of your point and thank you for giving it. I agree with you that regardless of his intent, which was clearly and obviously not racist, his actions still caused harm to the black people on the receiving end.

    I agree with the rest of your comment, but as true as it is that for proper accountability in this situation we need to correctly identify the issues of racism involved, it's equally true that we need to correctly identify the issues of disability involved.

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  • Him saying the slur is not evidence of his racism. The disability does not force him to vocalize things he subconsciously thinks, it forces him to vocalize things he finds abhorrent and wrong. This is also why he's not calling white people "slurs" as some people have mentioned, because he presumably doesn't think those are taboo because anti-white racism isn't real (correct).

    Now, the harm that is done to the black people who were on the receiving end is of course still real. But if this discussion starts with "why should being disabled cancel out being racist" it's fundamentally missing the point of one half of the equation (ableism and disability) and it's not going to accomplish anything.

    I also find it extremely troubling that the broadcaster who got to farm controversy by inflicting these slurs on millions of black people while scapegoating disabled people and censoring "free Palestine" is now completely getting away with that while the discourse turns into a war between disabled people and black people, which are of course not at all mutually exclusive categories.

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  • it's almost like the existence of disability doesn't negate the impact of racial abuse hmmm

    Of course it doesn't.

    Also it's a just simple statement of historical fact, a disproportionate number of slaveowners were indeed disabled

    Come on, we all know that "simple statements of fact" that disparage marginalized people without context are not actually morally and ethically neutral "simple statements of fact". This logic is reductive and it harms not only disabled people but all other marginalized people as well.

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  • Yeah, when I read your further comments in that thread I understood you were only making a point about standpoint epistemology (if an identity made someone correct on a subject, we would have to listen to gusanos). I understand why the way it was phrased might hurt someone, though. And that hurt does harm black people, just as disabled people are harmed by some of the discourse on this subject.

    This was perfectly demonstrated by people claiming that they understand Tourette's in one comment and then say that John Davidson is a racist in another because he didn't call white presenters crackers.

    This along with the comment that mentioned "medically induced racism" were the actual reason for the comm ban.

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  • The point I probably should have made but didn't really is I think it is just rather dismissive and restrcive to essentially say that an event starting from tourretes can't grow into a larger discussion on what black people deal with, and essentially being policed on how they have to act or else they are being ableist.

    This is an excellent and completely fair point. As I said (I think) in another comment, it's possible I'm missing some context that this is a tweet in reply to some other racist statement someone made. It's fair to say that black people's concerns are often dismissed or they are often policed in how they express them, that's absolutely 100% true.

    But there's also a lot of ableism in the context of the conversation this tweet is participating in. BRG is a leftist with (presumably) a strong understanding of theory around these kinds of issues, not a random person. It's irresponsible at least IMO to just fire it off like that without context or explanation included, and it's not just white disabled people who are harmed by the discourse around this kind of disability.

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  • Please see my edit. Sorry, I think I edited while you were replying.

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  • being banned for calling dipshits on this site cracker over them calling Black people gusanos

    Banned CyborgMarx [any, any] from the community Pop Culturereason: You have consistantly misrepresented Tourette's in this thread, and seem uninterested in listening to comrades who have the condtion when they explain how it functions to you. Take a day off please.

    The modlog explains why you were banned.

    Edit: I agree with you that the slur causes real harm and the "gusano" comparison is distasteful. You are still wrong about Tourette's. Your comment about it being possible it was "medically induced racism" are still ableist.

    Edit 2: changed the quote above to the actual phrasing of your comment. I don't mean to misrepresent what you said.

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  • You just got a comm ban and had comments removed for ableism in the previous thread about this subject (the BAFTA incident). I'm not going to discuss it with you here. If you actually want your question answered, I clarified to purpleworm in this thread.

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  • Why would you allow slave owners to live?

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  • No you didn't click the wrong box, your comment was posted in reply to dustcommie. I just wanted to make sure that I understood your meaning correctly. Thanks for clarifying for me!

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  • That's fair. It probably (almost definitely) is bait of some sort, yeah.

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  • since the more optimistic interpretation still hinges on them neglecting to give context, which they really have no reason not to.

    Have I mentioned how much I fucking hate Twitter?

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