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  • Before I start: what Israel is doing in Gaza is criminal, the far right government of Israel is horrible, what the IDF is doing is disproportionate and needs to stop, and Palestinians deserve to have their own country.

    I’ve yet to find an answer to this that doesn’t somehow relate to some form of antisemitism.

    Politics.

    Israel is a US ally and receives a lot of aid, which means criticising Israel is politically useful for Chinese, Russian, Iranian and allied propagandists and the useful idiots who uncritically spread their propaganda. It's no coincidence that the same people who often spend all day discussing Israel online, are far more likely to deny what's happened in Xinjiang, be opposed to western support for Ukraine, and/or ignore Russian involvement in Syria and Sudan.

    Even more unfortunately, these useful idiots then uncritically parrot propaganda which is often very anti-semitic. For example, you'll often see people unironically claim that '''Zionists''' control all western media or even on occassion go on about how cunning the '''Zionist''' is. It's icky.

    Unfortunately these are people who like to think of themselves as good, so they're unable to be self-critical. Vanity, it's the Devil's favourite sin. Few people admit their biases even if they're aware of them. It doesn't help that the Israeli right often labels any criticism of Israel as anti-semitic, which offers anti-semites and those who spread anti-semitic propaganda cover. "Zionists say any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic. I'm just being critical!"

    Once again: this doesn't mean people shouldn't be critical of what Israel's doing in Gaza.

    This comment is overly long, the debate is deeply polarised, people have come to their view on the matter through emotion so no rational argument will sway them, and I will convince exactly no one to moderate their behaviour or be more critical and/or nuanced.

  • From wikipedia:

    The Russian Defense Ministry said it had recently destroyed six unmanned surface vehicles (USV) in the Black Sea. When asked for comment on the Caesar Kunikov, both Russian military and Kremlin spokespersons declined to comment.

    Why is he being sacked? He should get a medal for succesfully destroying six USVs.

  • Paraphrasing what you said and asking you to clarify what you mean doesn't make me an anti-semite.

    But I suppose it's as close as you'll ever get to becoming self-aware, that you're accusing me of anti-semitism for repeating your own words back at you.

    e: I think I'll block you now. Probably for the best. The whole 'they control the media' thing is icky.

  • Gotcha. You think that Israeli Jews and their western allies control all mainstream media.

    Thanks for the clarification.

  • Ah, so like linkerbaan you think that Israeli Jews and their western christian allies control the media.

    Thanks for the clarification.

  • Oh, I was trying to understand your position on who controls western media. That's all.

    Unlike you, I personally don't believe Israeli Jews and their allies control all mainstream western media.

  • Would you say that western Zionists been indoctrinated by Israeli propaganda?

  • Is Vladimir Putin a Zionist?

  • All of mainstream Western Media has become a shameless giant brainwashing conglomerate controlled by Zionists.

    Are all western media controlled by Jews or are there exceptions?

  • Is the Independent a Zionist newspaper?

  • Here's their wikipedia page:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro-MediterraneanHumanRightsMonitor

    Founder and chairman is Ramy Abdu:

    Ramy Abdu (Arabic: رامي عبده) (or Ramy Abdo) is a Palestinian financial expert, assistant professor of Law and Finance, and human rights advocate who was born in the Gaza Strip. He is the founder and chairman of the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor ... Abdu was the assistant director and Palestine Office Manager for Council for European Palestinian Relations, an organisation described by The Independent as "a Belgian non-profit organisation that lobbies on behalf of the Hamas-led Gaza Government

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RamyAbdu

    Not that this means the story isn't true obviously, but the source isn't exactly unbiased.

    1. I like that you included an archive link and media bias fact check link OP. Obviously, the latter isn't without controversy, but it's better than nothing.
    2. It's important that criticism is coming from a former Israeli PM and Biden. I know there are a lot of the people who are very critical of both or likely don't think they're going far enough, but because the former is Israeli and the latter has been vocal in his support of Israel, it's far harder for Israel's far right government and their supporters to discount that criticism. This is far more damaging than any protest march could be, especially if those participating in that martch have always been critical of Israel or can be painted as making excuses for Hamas or Iran.
  • Given America is likely to vote Trump as the next president, and his extensive ties to China, you'll probably end up selling out the Taiwanese for a lucrative real estate deal for Dear Leader.

  • “we have lots of requests to interview Putin, he just doesn’t want to do it”

    Because they're actual journalists who would ask serious questions.

  • Not really. It sounds random, but the author of the article probably translated it from Celsius to begin with.

  • 4 F = -20 Celsius.

  • Potiomkin villages” (and subsequently Potiomkin anything eg. Potiomkin AI).

    Potemkin village:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkinvillage

    Apparently the original story is largely a myth:

    ... the tale of elaborate, fake settlements, with glowing fires designed to comfort the monarch and her entourage as they surveyed the barren territory at night, is largely fictional. ... "Based on the above said we must conclude that the myth of 'Potemkin villages' is exactly a myth, and not an established fact." ... The close relationship between Potemkin and the empress could have made it difficult for him to deceive her. Thus, if there were deception, it would have been mainly directed towards the foreign ambassadors accompanying the imperial party ... it is possible that the phrase cannot be applied accurately to its own original historical inspiration. According to some historians, some of the buildings were real, and others were constructed to show what the region would look like in the near future, and at least Catherine and possibly also her foreign visitors knew which were which.