@dogslayeggs this is not a good solution unless you're expecting to mandate that all pedestrians, cyclists, scooter riders, guide dogs, whatever, wear them too, and that all existing cars are retrofitted with them. Kind of dystopian.
@ripcord unpredictable but maybe not standard practice? Just a guess, could be a bad assumption! British driving culture is reliant on eye contact and waves and nods and flashes - you have to signal if you're giving way (to other drivers as well), and say thank you; lots of places where there's only room for one vehicle on a two way road and someone has to decide who's going. Might be my failure of imagination but I don't know how that works with no driver.
@MoreFPSmorebetter it's not called jaywalking here, it's just called crossing the road, and there are plenty of places where if it's busy if you just kind of wait hopefully someone will wave you across. Or you look for a big enough gap that you can't make it all the way across but a driver will see you and have to slow. We also have zebra crossings which you just wait next to and drivers have to stop; up to the driver to interpret if someone is just standing around or waiting to cross.
@MoreFPSmorebetter@vegeta I just can't see this type of tech working in places with a more pedestrian-first culture / more unpredictable human behaviour, i.e. countries without jaywalking laws. If you tried to drive this through London and people realised it will just have to automatically stop for you (and also won't stop for you out of politeness if you wait hopefully) then everyone will just walk in front of it. What's the plan, special "don't stop the Waymo" laws?
@CuriousCanid@vegeta this is the case for the Amazon "just walk out" shops as well. Like Waymo they frame it as the humans "just doing the hard part" but who knows what "annotating" means in this context? And notably it's clearly more expensive to run than they thought as they've decided to do Dash Carts instead which looks like it's basically a portable self-service checkout. The customer does the checking. https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24133029/amazon-just-walk-out-cashierless-ai-india
@drmoose dunno, we have a strong tradition of petty bureaucratic jobsworths who take rule-following too far, and also a nasty history of over-policing protests.
@drmoose it was discussed in the 00s (in the UK!) but was massively polarising and got dropped. People didn't like the idea of having to carry something that proved who they are.
@drmoose@prole The UK only just brought it in a few years ago, against the advice of the Elec Commission as we don't really have any fraud and we don't have universal ID cards so it's complicated to know what you'd need to bring. Mostly it's passports or driving licences which relies on people having the cash to drive or travel, and their name matching the voter roll. If someone is turned away for not having ID they might not come back.
@meco03211@Jayk0b cars can't either - it's a false premise. Not everything is drive-thru. How far is, say, the bakery section from your car when you go to the supermarket?
@octopusink yes I think we will eventually learn (there is clearly a lot of pushback against the idea that AI is a positive marketing term), and it's also definitely the fault of marketing, to try to condition us into thinking we desperately need a sentient computer to help us instead of knowing good search terms. I am deeply uncomfortable with how people are using LLMs as a search engine or a future prediction machine.
@manicdave Even saying it's "trying" to do something is a mischaracterisation. I do the same, but as a society we need new vocab for LLMs to stop people anthropomorphizing them so much. It is just a word frequency machine. It can't read or write or think or feel or say or listen or understand or hallucinate or know truth from lies. It just calculates. For some reason people recognise it in the image processing ones but they can't see that the word ones do the exact same thing.
Goes hand in hand with stereotypical attitudes of the US v Europe, imo: the land of lone wolf "entrepreneurs" goes hard on big branding and [social] media platforms whereas Europe is a bit more likely to respect back-office bureaucracy and a lot of its technical prowess is in "stuff that goes inside something else to make it work"
But then I don't really think I understand US politics. To me it makes no sense why there isn't an impeachment charge against him every day. He's providing enough ammo. If he's going to flood the zone, flood it right back.
@dogslayeggs this is not a good solution unless you're expecting to mandate that all pedestrians, cyclists, scooter riders, guide dogs, whatever, wear them too, and that all existing cars are retrofitted with them. Kind of dystopian.