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  • you’re saying “death to Israel/America” in general somehow has islamist roots

    Once again, you are accusing me of something I neither said nor intended.

    No shit they want people dead

    So why all this stupid hostility? Then you agree with me that when Islamists say “Death to America,” they don't just mean the American state. My argument all along is that the phrase “Death to X” is ambiguous, is used ambiguously, and prompts different people to take different actions. To be honest, I don't know what there is to discuss. Even here in this thread, you see people who agree with the “death to US Americans” interpretation rather than "Dissolve the US". The same applies to “Death to Israel.” Hamas, for example, also does not follow the interpretation that you would like to consider the only sensible one when it kills innocent civilians in Israel. If that's not literal, then I don't know what is. I provide empirical evidence that suggests a literal interpretation, while you simply post links that demonstrate that there are other interpretations as well. Which precisely underscores my argument of ambiguity. Do you just want to burn straw men here?

    “Death to Israel” will always be ambiguous. It is a slogan intended to provoke. At least when it is used by Muricans (or other westeners). And then tears about the evil and intentionally wrong interpretations of the other side are shed when the provocation succeeds, which was the plan from the outset. It's the same tactic you hear from Karoline Leavitt every other day. Here in Sauerkrautland, the fascists are doing the same thing, of course. But it's a pathetic tactic for leftists. That's why you mostly hear it from internet edglords or armchair revolutionaries.

  • Calm down and don't accuse me of things I haven't said dummy. Of course Israel is committing genocide and of course the USA is a criminal country. Where did I give the impression that this wasn't the case?

    And no, Islamists want people dead, including innocent civilians, as evidenced by their actions. I was just trying to express this in a less confrontational way for small-minded people like you. Even if one considers attacks on innocent civilians in Israel, the USA or Europe to be justified, which is disgusting enough, Islamists also kill innocent people in the Middle East. Be it in Rojava, as was the case a few weeks ago, or anywhere else. How pathetic can you be to side with these people because of your justified rejection of Israel or the USA?

    The fact that you call me a racist also shows me that you still cannot distinguish between religion, origin and ideology. So kindly shut the fuck up.

  • so civilization doesn’t collapse from rapid population decline

    Would that really be a bad thing?

  • memes @lemmy.world

    Our duty

  • Do you read the fine print for “Deutschland verrecke” or “Death to America” as well, or does that only apply when it comes to Israel?

    Tell me: when Islamists in Iran, Afghanistan, or Iraq chant “Death to America,” do they simply mean the dissolution of the United States? Of course not. They mean the death of everything American, including American people. At least, that's how I've always interpreted it. If you think that it's really just an anarchist critique of US statehood, I would find that remarkable. “Deutschland verrecke”, on the other hand, is a phrase used almost exclusively by Germans. Context matters, as I wrote above.

    you get confronted with this on a fairly regular basis

    I don't. And I'm in a lot of English subs.

    I refuse to believe that they don’t know this by now

    Even if that were true, which I doubt, there is still the possibility that some people will not accept your interpretation, but one of the others. The sentence could, for example, come straight from the neo-Nazi scene. And since you don't know who is behind a post on the internet, ambiguities lead to problems. Especially when one of the interpretations calls for the death of people.

    because the rest of the international Left understands just fine what this slogan means.

    However, Feddit.org is not a left-wing, but rather a general instance like lemmy.world. I am also relatively certain that the sentence would be moderated away on lemmy.world as well.

    Nobody claims that this is the only way

    Yes, your previous poster claims that deleting and prohibiting such posts is “policing anti-apartheid ethnostate press against a current active genocidal state.” This ignores the fact that objective, unambiguous and clear criticism is perfectly acceptable and, in my experience, even represents the majority opinion (which says a lot on a general instance). To conclude from the rejection of “Death to Israel” that Zionism is supported here is not only logically incorrect. It is intellectually lazy, exaggerated, malicious, and, yes, childish.

  • Yeah, we’re not going to entertain your denial of Judaistic apartheism.

    American nationalists have their “God's own country,” and radical Christians interpret the Bible in exactly the same way as nationalist from Israel interpret the Torah. I don't think I need to quote you any relevant passages from the Bible. ISIS, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and the Iranian theocracy do the same thing with Islam. Indian nationalists do the same with Hinduism. The problem here is political ideology, not religion per se. If you think that Jews are evil because of their religious background, then you are indeed crossing the line into antisemitism, and we will not agree. If you criticize Israel's political ideology, Zionism, that's completely different and legitimate. But just like religious nationalism in the US, Iran, or India, it has nothing to do with the respective religion. It only serves to legitimize it. To disregard this is either stupidity or malice.

    it’s not. We made this pretty clear here, and elsewhere.

    It's not a good sign for a political slogan if you have to read the fine print to get the right interpretation. You're also overestimating how many people are actually confronted with something like this. That's why very few people will have heard about the clarification of this slogan. This in turn leads to provocations, overly emotional debates, misunderstandings, and insults. I can understand why the mods delete such content tbh.

    you want to ambiguoize a simple phrase by enforcing an unjust law your German state as your justification

    what are you talking about? I am not enforcing shit. I have no power anywhere. I just want to explain why it's ridiculous to accuse people of Zionism because they have a problem with this phrase. Why do you demand the benefit of the doubt for yourself, but are not willing to grant it to others?

    We are blatantly accusing your instance of policing anti apartheid ethnostate press against a current active genocidal state

    If you think that the only way to speak out against a current active genocidal state is to write “Death to Israel,” then that's not just pathetic, it's childish.

    I don't think it helps to keep explaining to you that it is perfectly possible to speak out against the genocide of Israel on feddit.org, that this is even the majority opinion there. This is just one of those shitty left-wing purity contests that exist on other issues as well, which have been weakening the left for decades.

  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    Millionen aus Katar: Wer finanziert die Sicherheitskonferenz?

    correctiv.org /aktuelles/sicherheit-und-verteidigung/2026/02/13/millionen-aus-katar-wer-finanziert-die-muenchner-sicherheitskonferenz-msc-munich-security-conference/
  • Context is important here, in my opinion. It is one thing to claim that Judaism is worse than other religions in this regard (which it is not, as evangelicals or ISIS prove, for example), and quite another to accuse religions in general of a tendency toward apartheid. The problem is not Judaism, but Israel's political ideology. It would make no difference if the Israelis were Sikh, Shinto, or Zoroastrian. Furthermore, most Jews do not live in Israel, but in the US.

    “Death to Israel” is ambiguous. It can be read, for example, as “Death towards Israel” and, of course, as “Death to the Israelis” or, as you mean it, as “Death to the state of Israel.” The fact that you have to explain what exactly is meant illustrates this very clearly. And I think that the slogan is deliberately ambiguous. It is intended to provoke and reliably achieves its goal through this ambiguity. It would be easy to resolve the contradiction by adding “state of.” And if one is really concerned with objectivity and not emotions, one could also omit the word ‘death’ and just say “Dissolve Israel.” No ambiguity but delivers the message you want. Doesn't sound as impressive and martial tho.

    It is simply exaggerated and intellectually lazy to accuse Feddit.org of Zionism, where any criticism of Israel would be suppressed. Recently, there was a discussion on feddit about giving the Israelis a piece of Bavaria and returning Israel to the Palestinians. It was not banned or moderated away.

  • I would say that “fuck Bibi's ethnostate” is not a problem at all. “Fuck apartheid religions” could be a problem if it criticizes Jews as a group and not the ideology of Zionism. The same applies to right-wingers who accuse all Muslims of being terrorists because they are part of a terrorist religion, instead of limiting this to the ideology of Islamism. In general, I would say that it makes a very, very big difference whether one directs one's criticism at Judaism or Jews, or at Israel and Israelis.

    What is repeatedly discussed is whether moderating “Death to Israel” (or similar) and banning corresponding users is an expression of a Zionist ideology on the part of the feddit moderators. To this I would say: even if the author means Israel as a state and is not calling for the death of Israelis, he is aware of and accepts the possibility of the latter interpretation and its ambiguity. To interpret the moderation of this as Zionism is, in my opinion, exaggerated and malicious. It also empties the term "Zionism" of its analytical content.

  • I don't know guys. Feddit is a general instance, so there are also Libs here and probably even a few Zionists. But my impression is that most people are very critical of Israel.

  • Anarchie ist immer OK. Sogar wünschenswert. Du meinst vermutlich Anomie. Und die Bahn könnte ja beim Einlass der ersten Klasse das Ticket kontrollieren, anstatt auf das Strafrecht zur Durchsetzung ihrer wirtschaftlichen Interessen zu setzen. Palmer hat dadurch keinen Nachteil. Er hat nur Bock drauf andere auf Fehlverhalten hinzuweisen, obwohl er selbst das größte Arschloch ist. Von den vielen erbärmlichen Eigenschaften der Deutschen vermutlich die erbärmlichste. Soll er sich bei der Bahn beschweren, dass die die Jugendlichen in das Abteil lassen oder eben die Fresse halten und sich um seine eigenen Sachen kümmern.

  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    GKV planen Kürzung von psychotherapeutischen Leistungen um 10%.

    dpnw.de /haende_weg_von_Therapiehonoraren
  • Ich hasse dieses erbärmliche Land

  • Palmer muss sich nicht beschweren. Er liebt es im Mittelpunkt zu stehen und hat irgendwann festgestellt, dass er das am zuverlässigsten erreicht, wenn er polarisiert. Also polarisiert er eben. Ob mit Rassismus, Sexismus oder sonstigen Hot Takes. Wer austeilen will muss dann aber auch einstecken können und nicht die Krokodilstränen auspacken und den Niedergang der Sitten beklagen. Wie jämmerlich.

  • Die Realität ist, dass E-Fuels das Feigenblatt sind, damit man 2035 sagen kann "hmm nicht genügend E-Fuel, also müssen wir leider erstmal weiter normalen Treibstoff tanken, konnte man 2026 ja nicht wissen".

  • Was läuft eigentlich falsch in unserem Schulen, dass manche Menschen Kombinationen aus Adjektiv und Substantiv nicht mehr sinnerfassend verstehen können. Andererseits vermutlich die Voraussetzung dafür, dass die CDU noch Wähler hat.

  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    CDU gegen die Realität

  • There is some truth in that. But we will not be able to gather a revolutionary mass in the near future, neither in the US nor here in Europe. One thing is certain, however: under a US as Trump envisions it, any work toward that goal will become impossible, or at least life-threatening. That is why I am in favor of forming alliances with liberals to preserve room for maneuver.

  • Protests are powerful, especially in autocracies. This is because they undermine, in full view of everyone, a key source of legitimacy for autocrats: that they represent the true will of the people. It also undermines the instrument of power that all autocrats rely on: fear.

  • Da wird dieses Bild aufgemacht, die Menschen seien faul. Das ist zum einen empirisch nicht belegt. Davon abgesehen ist es nicht der richtige Weg, Vertrauen aufzubauen, wenn man Menschen herabwertet, beschimpft, beleidigt.

    Ich gebs zu: Ich bin zu faul 40 Stunden zu arbeiten. Warum sollte ich auch? Es verbessert mein Leben kein bisschen, sondern führt nur dazu, dass ich unglücklicher bin. Lieber verzichte ich auf einen teuren Urlaub und fahre Gebrauchtwagen, als 40 Stunden die Woche zu malochen. Dazu kommt, dass es eine ganze Klasse an Menschen gibt, die nur von der Rendite ihres Kapitals lebt. Mit anderen Worten: Von unserer Arbeit. Keine Teilzeit, sondern Nullzeit. Mein Vermieter rührt keinen Finger den ganzen Tag. Hat halt ein paar Wohnungen geerbt und ist jetzt fein raus weil ich für ihn mitarbeite. Komischerweise geht es nie um die, wenn davon die Rede ist, dass wir alle mehr arbeiten müssen um "unseren Wohlstand lol" zu erhalten.

  • Kannst du das näher ausführen?

  • Yes, and that's why he posted a photo with Boateng, another male perpetrator of violence against women, to portray himself as a poor victim of media coverage.

    The man created a system in which young women were specifically targeted (affectionately referred to as the “slut parade” by the band and staff), taken to an isolated room with others, where their cell phones were taken away, where drugs were available, and where they had to ask security guards to let them out.

    There are also anonymous reports from people who contacted journalists but, at the latest after Linnemann's major legal offensive against other victims, no longer dared to file official charges or even venture into the public eye in any way. Others, who have spoke out at first, have backtracked because German law requires such things to be proven beyond a doubt, otherwise you make yourself liable to prosecution. However, this is almost impossible, especially in sexual criminal law. Lindemann's lawyers would have done anything to destroy these people.

    Another reason, of course, is the countless people who want to defend their idol at all costs. They are just as depraved as all the Trump fans who still cover for him despite all the reports of rape. Disgusting.

    I don't need a court ruling to form an opinion. German law is a joke in this area anyway. Even what is known for certain is enough for me to identify him as a disgusting person. And I am very sure that we don't know everything. Stop defending him. Stop protecting perpetrators.

  • Sieht man ja beim Klimawandel, wie gut Aufklärung funktioniert. Und Lösungen über den Preis werden immer dazu führen, dass die Hauptlast der Verbesserung von Armen getragen wird.

  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    Öltanker aus Venezuela: USA beschlagnahmen Tanker unter russischer Flagge

    www.spiegel.de /ausland/oeltanker-aus-venezuela-usa-beschlagnahmen-tanker-unter-russischer-flagge-a-f5d77f50-b8e5-45ef-ab4e-6711a60593f3
  • Fediverse @lemmy.world

    Is there a Twitter alternative in the Fediverse where you can sort your timeline?

  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    Bayern vergibt Milliardenauftrag an Microsoft ohne Ausschreibung. Deutliche Kritik aus der Zivilgesellschaft

    www.heise.de /news/Cloud-Zoff-in-Bayern-wegen-Milliardenauftrag-an-Microsoft-ohne-Ausschreibung-11114453.html
  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    Palantir boss calls for public hangings to show 'masculine leadership'

    www.msn.com /en-us/news/world/palantir-boss-calls-for-public-hangings-to-show-masculine-leadership/ar-AA1RWT6g
  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    Physiker: "Die Möglichkeiten des Verbrennungsmotors sind längst ausgereizt"

    www.derstandard.de /story/3000000298995/physiker-die-moeglichkeiten-des-verbrennungsmotors-sind-laengst-ausgereizt
  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    Denkfabrik R21 bereitet Zusammenarbeit von CDU und AfD vor. Jens Spahn lässt sie mit Steuermillionen fördern.

    www.spiegel.de /politik/deutschland/republik21-mit-steuergeld-gegen-die-brandmauer-a-071f7d4d-5383-4d91-b7e9-ad5edc4e0e94
  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    Bald Neuwahlen?

  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    Merz kündigt für Koalitionsausschuss am Abend Einigung auf weitgehende Lockerung von Verbrenner-Aus an

    www.deutschlandfunk.de /merz-kuendigt-fuer-koalitionsausschuss-am-abend-einigung-auf-weitgehende-lockerung-von-verbrenner-au-100.html
  • Videos @lemmy.world

    Showing you a color you’ve never seen before.

  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    Netanjahu ordnet "intensive Angriffe" im Gazastreifen an

    www.zdfheute.de /politik/ausland/netanjahu-ordnet-angriff-gazastreifen-israel-nahost-100.html
  • Linux @lemmy.ml

    Why is it that my sister and I have different latest kernel versions, even though we both have Linux Mint 22.2 Cinnamon?

  • DACH - Deutschsprachige Community für Deutschland, Österreich, Schweiz @feddit.org

    Baden-Württemberg: Öffnungszeiten von SB-Supermärkten am Sonntag sollen von Gottesdienstzeiten abhängen

    www.swr.de /swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/oeffnungszeiten-selbstbedienungs-supermaerkte-von-gottesdiensten-abhaengig-100.html