• Lumidaub@feddit.org
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    2 days ago

    These groups are themselves anti-democratic. Democracy is allowed to defend itself.

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      2 days ago

      I would go further, democracy must defend itself. It’s an embarrassing failure to allow anti-democratic parties to gain power through democratic means.

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      2 days ago

      Well, this is democracy undermining itself. Parties with millions of supporters don’t just randomly pop up for no reason. They come about due to real people having real problems.

      Banning parties is a good way to become blind to that.

      That is just a pragmatic argument, independent of my conviction that every citizen should have a right to equal representation, a right to be heard. No ifs’ and buts’ and no “but not like that” if I find their opinions unpalatable.

      It is the same foundation I stand on to assert my own right. I will have my say. If that were taken away, I’d be inclined to tear it all down.

      One very angry person can do a lot of damage today. How about the ten million who voted for AFD in the most recent German election? Or maybe just the seventy thousand who are active members? They are surely more extreme than you or I. That’s more people than there are jail cells in Germany right now.

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        18 hours ago

        Those aren’t real problems. They are lies specifically meant to influence people into believing that foreigners are a problem. That is why they are antidemocratic and must be banned. There’s already plenty of official evidence from a legal standpoint. How is this so difficult to understand?

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          17 hours ago

          How is this so difficult to understand?

          Did you even read my comment?

          Let me repeat the most important part for you:

          every citizen should have a right to equal representation, a right to be heard. No ifs’ and buts’ and no “but not like that” if I find their opinions unpalatable.

          That is my conviction, regardless of ideology. It doesn’t matter how much you highlight what the AFD stand for, because it is fundamentally irrelevant to my opinion on the subject.

          Those aren’t real problems.

          Which problems?

          Decreasing standard of living? Rising energy prices? High home prices? A stagnating economy?

          You don’t convince someone to change ideology by saying “your problems aren’t real”. You do it by identifying the real problems, because I promise you that they exist. Then, convince them that a better solution exists than what their current ideology proposes.

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            15 hours ago

            When people are being brainwashed into focussing on brown people = bad, then no. Fuck that. That has nothing to do with democracy. The AfD stands for nothing other than their own gains.

            And the problems you listed aren’t the things they’re addressing.

            There is no reasoning. It’s pure brain washing. Don’t support that kind of shit.

      • Lumidaub@feddit.org
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        2 days ago

        It is definitely far too late for this, it should’ve been done 10 years ago, but better late than never. The cancer should’ve been surgically removed when it was small, now it has grown very large and removing it means losing an arm and half a lung but that’s no reason to give up and let it overtake the rest of the body.