You wouldn’t think of a European community of being so insanely pro Russia, yet on every single post mentioning Russia, any negative comments about Russia or their government will get downvoted to hell, some people get banned. I would not be surprised if I am banned or downvoted for posting this. People who are not just blatantly spamming Kremlin propaganda, please say why you are so pro Russia, to someone confused.

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    Yet the Russian Federation isn’t communist. Do they still think of it as the Soviet Union? If so, they are incredibly mistaken.

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      No, no communist thinks the RF is the Soviet Union (or RSFSR, which was the specifically Russian part of the USSR). What communists understand is that the Russian Federation is currently strategically aligned against imperialism, and is a strong ally of socialist countries, due to inherited political ties and capitalist encirclement. Communists support a revolution in Russia to overthrow the nationalists and reinstate socialism, but not on western terms.

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        So they support it for being anti-western, even though it has little in common with a socialist nation? Just to make it clear

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          That’s an oversimplification, but close-ish to the truth. The Russian Federation is presently anti-imperialist and is helping socialist countries. This is what communists support. Communists do not support the capitalist decay of the Russian Federation, and want a restoration of socialism in Eastern Europe. This is why it is “critical support,” same with Iran for example. Socialist countries like China and Cuba are supported with less reservations, hence the distinction between critical and general support.

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            Okay, thanks for clearing it up. I thought the people here supported the Russian Federation fully in its current form,not wanting it to change, but you made a good point.

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              I’m most optimistic about their foreign policy of mutual development & the ministry of defense pushing for more state planning of industrial capacity. It’s more than just being a countervailing wind to the US bloc with their nuclear arsenal & alliance with China, which hasn’t had enough time to build one up yet. The problem is the Kremlin & the central bank are still pretty neoliberal.

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            Well, hold on. Maybe we don’t all want a restoration of the USSR. It would be great from Russia to become communist again, but it doesn’t need to be a restoration. In fact, given its failures, I would think the better path would be for the formation of a net new socialist republic in Russia, and in the former Soviet states, but necessarily the same formation as in the past.

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              Fair! I actually agree, and would want something more similar to China with respect to how administrative divisions are handled. I was simplifying it for OP, but you make a good point.

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          We’re not anti-Western qua Western. There just happens to be a lot of overlap between the West and imperialism.

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      It looks like we need to unpack what the phrase critical support actually means. Communists don’t look at the Russian Federation and imagine the Soviet Union, nor does nobody think Putin is building socialism. The support is a strategic judgment about the global balance of forces, rooted in a materialist reading of where the primary contradiction lies rather than having anything to do with Russia’s internal character.

      The primary contradiction in the world is a bloc conflict between Western imperialist states, led by the United States, and the Global South. Western imperialism is the system that enforces economic extraction through debt, sanctions, military bases, trade rules, enabled by dollar’s reserve status. It’s the force that has strangled development in the Global South and consistently prevented any alternative path of development from gaining traction. As long as that system remains unchallenged there can be no space for experiments in socialism or even genuinely sovereign capitalist development that could later be transformed. That makes breaking Western hegemony a prerequisite for any meaningful change going forward.

      Russia currently acts as the main military force directly challenging American led unipolar order. While it’s not doing it for communist reasons, their push against NATO expansion and efforts to build alternative financial and trade architectures with BRICS are objectively opening fractures in Western dominance. Russia bogs down NATO in Ukraine and exposes the limits of Western power which, in turn, weakens the imperialist camp creating room for left movements to grow around the world.

      So when communists say they critically support Russia, we are not endorsing Russia’s internal political system, its capitalist class, nationalist ideology, or its treatment of workers and leftists inside its borders. Our support is conditional and tactical, extending only as far as Russia acts as a counter hegemonic force. The moment Russia pivots toward trying to carve up the world with Western powers or becomes a new oppressor of weaker nations in a way that simply replaces current imperialist hierarchy, that support goes away. Communists are internationalists who see the current moment as one where the central task as weakening the main enemy.

      I’ll use a historical parallel to help make this all more concrete. Communists critically supported the Allied powers against nazi Germany during the second world war even though the Allies were capitalist imperialists themselves, and just as is the case with Russia today, no one mistook Churchill or Roosevelt for being socialists. The point was that fascism represented the most aggressive and immediate threat to the working class and to the possibility of socialist advance. Today, that threat happens to be Western imperialism with its endless hot wars along with economic warfare against the rest of the world. And the scope of critical support is about actively disrupting Western imperialism.

      We live in a world where the US and its vassals can dictate terms to everyone else, and breaking Western hegemony leads to one with more possibilities for mass movements and resource sovereignty creating more room for socialist organizing. Russia’s resistance helps crack that door open, and that’s why it makes sense to make tactical alignment on one particular axis of struggle while maintaining full independence on all others which is what giving critical support is.

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        becomes a new oppressor of weaker nations

        Unless it’s Georgia, Moldova or Ukraine.

        In which case, fuck those *flips rolodex* Nazi’s.

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          I just love how you trolls keep pretending there are no nazis in Ukraine even as Poland is now having an official row with Ukraine over it. Like no way you can be that detached from reality. You know exactly what you’re doing here fash.

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            Just like there’s no Nazi’s in Russia eh buddy. They literally deployed a state funded neo-Nazi mercenary group in their imperialist war (Wagner).

            Maybe Russia needs a special military operation for de-nazification.

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                Excellent rebuttal.

                Supporting the Russian state as an anti-imperialist force is not just wrong but hypocritical.

                America can be bad without Russia having to be good.

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                    Right I can see you have no defense. Keep simping for Putin, you’re just as bad as Americans defending their and Israel’s wars.