The government itself never said that was the only thing that would happen. It was one of his contemporaries quotes on that page, that said that was all that would happen. Why is that persons quote holding any more weight to you than the quotes contemporaries who were against him? If this is really all in the interest of truth then let’s be truthful.
And yes I am anti communist I am aware of all that and yeah for sure I support him for what he’s done to be against it and speak out about it. I agree with you on that. And yes someone else said “well it was either that or communism in the 70s which would you have picked” and YES I would have picked the UK of course.
Know what I wouldn’t have done though? Given them names of people who’s thoughts I think they should keep tabs on.
I don’t care if they were communists or scientologists. It doesn’t matter. That was absolutely a move of thought control and suppression. And was wrong. And I don’t think its wrong to point that out about the dude. He made his own legacy and made his own actions himself.
Sure he has done a lot for leftism and I applaud that. But I HATE that he gave that list to them. Fast forward to an old lady being arrested on a street corner for speaking thought crimes and its a long line of people who did things just like he did to get it this way.
Being a snitch for the government isn’t being a freedom fighter. Its the opposite of that.
also there are several lines of contempt from his peers of that list on that wiki I linked. You said there isn’t much in the way of condemnation except from tankies but right there are SEVERAL of his contemporaries that were rightfully against it and said so. Did you not see those lines? Of course some sympathizers too. I get it. I am against communism too. But I’m not going secret police style and selling out my neighbors and shit that I suspect are sympathetic to it.
And I’m definitely not doing that and then wanting to be remembered as some hero of freedom and thought. Its kind of ridiculous that people just gloss over that he did that.
Wouldn’t it bother you if someone were to put you on a list of people to keep tabs on to the government for that belief? I understand it was a different kind of communism but still.
The disappointment of finding out he did that would be comparable to like finding out my mom was a hooker or something. Just shattered my view of him honestly.
Britain didn’t have McCarthyism. Major industries were being nationalised, the welfare state was being created with the NHS, statutory sick pay, and unemployment benefits. Communism (in the true sense of the word) and socialism were generally acceptable political viewpoints.
Colonies were being given their independence. It was an optimistic time, with government by the people, for the people.
Not the neo-liberal capitalist hellscape dominating both “labour” and conservative parties we have now.
The government itself never said that was the only thing that would happen. It was one of his contemporaries quotes on that page, that said that was all that would happen. Why is that persons quote holding any more weight to you than the quotes contemporaries who were against him? If this is really all in the interest of truth then let’s be truthful.
And yes I am anti communist I am aware of all that and yeah for sure I support him for what he’s done to be against it and speak out about it. I agree with you on that. And yes someone else said “well it was either that or communism in the 70s which would you have picked” and YES I would have picked the UK of course.
Know what I wouldn’t have done though? Given them names of people who’s thoughts I think they should keep tabs on.
I don’t care if they were communists or scientologists. It doesn’t matter. That was absolutely a move of thought control and suppression. And was wrong. And I don’t think its wrong to point that out about the dude. He made his own legacy and made his own actions himself.
Sure he has done a lot for leftism and I applaud that. But I HATE that he gave that list to them. Fast forward to an old lady being arrested on a street corner for speaking thought crimes and its a long line of people who did things just like he did to get it this way.
Being a snitch for the government isn’t being a freedom fighter. Its the opposite of that.
also there are several lines of contempt from his peers of that list on that wiki I linked. You said there isn’t much in the way of condemnation except from tankies but right there are SEVERAL of his contemporaries that were rightfully against it and said so. Did you not see those lines? Of course some sympathizers too. I get it. I am against communism too. But I’m not going secret police style and selling out my neighbors and shit that I suspect are sympathetic to it.
And I’m definitely not doing that and then wanting to be remembered as some hero of freedom and thought. Its kind of ridiculous that people just gloss over that he did that.
I’m not :)
I am unashamedly a communist. Just not a Leninist, or worse a Stalinist.
Wouldn’t it bother you if someone were to put you on a list of people to keep tabs on to the government for that belief? I understand it was a different kind of communism but still.
The disappointment of finding out he did that would be comparable to like finding out my mom was a hooker or something. Just shattered my view of him honestly.
In 1940s socialist Labour Britain? No.
Especially as that’s not what the list was.
Britain didn’t have McCarthyism. Major industries were being nationalised, the welfare state was being created with the NHS, statutory sick pay, and unemployment benefits. Communism (in the true sense of the word) and socialism were generally acceptable political viewpoints.
Colonies were being given their independence. It was an optimistic time, with government by the people, for the people.
Not the neo-liberal capitalist hellscape dominating both “labour” and conservative parties we have now.