Some Democrats, especially Democratic leadership, yes. But not all Democrats. There are many people within the party celebrating the democratic socialists who won
In this context, “Democrats” could be understood to mean the DNC, party leadership, and their favored corporate politicians. Obviously the people electing the democratic socialists aren’t the ones opposing the democratic socialists, but we’re talking about the people who have enough resources and connections to screw with us, and do, despite them saying that the party is progressive, a big tent, and that we should always support the candidates regardless of how much they align with us.
“Not all dems” is about as useful to the conversation as “not all cops” or “not all men” is to their respective discussions. Technically correct by a very literal interpretation of those words, but completely missing and/or obscuring, the point.
You are a shining example of those that do not understand or comprehend historical materialism. You think what is happening right now is unique time in history. This has happened time and again and those that continue to run under the party banner ended up being quashed by the party.
You truly know nothing about US politics and US political history, do you? This is a rehashing of reforms under FDR, where they offered bread crumbs so people don’t demand better, so they don’t demand real socialism. While they blur the lines between socialism with things like the Nordic model, which is still capitalism and its exploitation of the global south.
I’m not sure but I think they’re talking about the center right leadership we have, Schumer and Jefferies cunts need to piss off and just join the GOP.
That’s at least how I took it, or how I want to take it.
Nah. He’s one of those types that still think the only way to get Socialists elected to office, is if they run 3rd party…despite the fact that more Socialists are beating centrist incumbents all the time.
I swear the whole concept is a psy-op intended to prevent leftists from voting, and therefore prevent them from ever holding actual power.
The problem is that the democratic party, even if it becomes overwhelmed by this new wave of social democrats, will still fall for the same trappings reformist parties run into globally. Internal opposition from those who actually control the economy, the capitalist class. The media outrage is only one small part of it, there’s also the very real fact that dominating production and distribution gives you power to control the state itself. Revolution isn’t just a LARP, in order to truly take political power it needs to be siezed by force, and the commanding heights of the economy expropriated by force.
The party is not an autonomous entity, with its own thoughts and intentions. The people in it, are. If you change the people, you change the party. If the majority of those people propose and vote for different legislation…then the entire political direction of the party shifts.
That isn’t “LARPing”. That’s actual power. LARPing is pretending that what you’re doing is having an impact. Passing actual laws that benefit the working class, actually does have that impact. In fact, it’s the only thing that does. Without laws to solidify a working class agenda, any progress you think you’ve made, is illegitimate.
Take your reform bullshit to a different space. Reform does not work, liberal voters have tried for centuries here in the US and all it’s produced are 2 right wing parties that are never held accountable.
The DNC derives its support and power from wealthy capitalist donors, and is entrenched in the imperialist organ of the US Empire. Legislation is not “word of God,” the superstructure of society does not have power over the base. You can see just how little laws actually matter when it comes to holding those fulfilling the will of capitalists accountable. Both the DNC and GOP have violated national and international law blatantly and repeatedly, but with little to no actual impact.
Without political power, which stems from the base and the state in alignment, ie a monopoly on force, there is no progress. This is why revolution is necessary, not merely reforming and replacing a capitalist party with more radical elements.
Oh, I remember you. You’re the guy who says words without understanding their meaning. As usual, you’re already both agreeing with what I already said, while claiming I’m wrong. No thanks. I have no appetite for word salad today.
The self-avowed socialist that just won the New York City mayor position is backing Jeffries as speaker of the House. If you try to work within the confines of a poisonous system you will get poisoned
Some Democrats, especially Democratic leadership, yes. But not all Democrats. There are many people within the party celebrating the democratic socialists who won
In this context, “Democrats” could be understood to mean the DNC, party leadership, and their favored corporate politicians. Obviously the people electing the democratic socialists aren’t the ones opposing the democratic socialists, but we’re talking about the people who have enough resources and connections to screw with us, and do, despite them saying that the party is progressive, a big tent, and that we should always support the candidates regardless of how much they align with us.
“Not all dems” is about as useful to the conversation as “not all cops” or “not all men” is to their respective discussions. Technically correct by a very literal interpretation of those words, but completely missing and/or obscuring, the point.
Those ‘some democrats’ need to get off the fence and abandon that party
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You call what Democrats are doing ‘winning?’
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You are a shining example of those that do not understand or comprehend historical materialism. You think what is happening right now is unique time in history. This has happened time and again and those that continue to run under the party banner ended up being quashed by the party.
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You truly know nothing about US politics and US political history, do you? This is a rehashing of reforms under FDR, where they offered bread crumbs so people don’t demand better, so they don’t demand real socialism. While they blur the lines between socialism with things like the Nordic model, which is still capitalism and its exploitation of the global south.
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I’m not sure but I think they’re talking about the center right leadership we have, Schumer and Jefferies cunts need to piss off and just join the GOP.
That’s at least how I took it, or how I want to take it.
Nah. He’s one of those types that still think the only way to get Socialists elected to office, is if they run 3rd party…despite the fact that more Socialists are beating centrist incumbents all the time.
I swear the whole concept is a psy-op intended to prevent leftists from voting, and therefore prevent them from ever holding actual power.
The problem is that the democratic party, even if it becomes overwhelmed by this new wave of social democrats, will still fall for the same trappings reformist parties run into globally. Internal opposition from those who actually control the economy, the capitalist class. The media outrage is only one small part of it, there’s also the very real fact that dominating production and distribution gives you power to control the state itself. Revolution isn’t just a LARP, in order to truly take political power it needs to be siezed by force, and the commanding heights of the economy expropriated by force.
The party is not an autonomous entity, with its own thoughts and intentions. The people in it, are. If you change the people, you change the party. If the majority of those people propose and vote for different legislation…then the entire political direction of the party shifts.
That isn’t “LARPing”. That’s actual power. LARPing is pretending that what you’re doing is having an impact. Passing actual laws that benefit the working class, actually does have that impact. In fact, it’s the only thing that does. Without laws to solidify a working class agenda, any progress you think you’ve made, is illegitimate.
Take your reform bullshit to a different space. Reform does not work, liberal voters have tried for centuries here in the US and all it’s produced are 2 right wing parties that are never held accountable.
So then what’s your plan? Marx is pretty explicit about needing to violently overthrow the establishment in order to usher in the revolution.
So go ahead, big guy. Go get your rifle and start bringing in that revolution. We’ll be right behind you, pinky swear!
Or maybe we could try the “not a violent lunatic” route?
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The DNC derives its support and power from wealthy capitalist donors, and is entrenched in the imperialist organ of the US Empire. Legislation is not “word of God,” the superstructure of society does not have power over the base. You can see just how little laws actually matter when it comes to holding those fulfilling the will of capitalists accountable. Both the DNC and GOP have violated national and international law blatantly and repeatedly, but with little to no actual impact.
Without political power, which stems from the base and the state in alignment, ie a monopoly on force, there is no progress. This is why revolution is necessary, not merely reforming and replacing a capitalist party with more radical elements.
Oh, I remember you. You’re the guy who says words without understanding their meaning. As usual, you’re already both agreeing with what I already said, while claiming I’m wrong. No thanks. I have no appetite for word salad today.
If they run in the DNC they are not socialist
You sound about as smart as James Carville.
Why are they not Socialists, if they run as Democrats?
The self-avowed socialist that just won the New York City mayor position is backing Jeffries as speaker of the House. If you try to work within the confines of a poisonous system you will get poisoned
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