Nah. He’s one of those types that still think the only way to get Socialists elected to office, is if they run 3rd party…despite the fact that more Socialists are beating centrist incumbents all the time.
I swear the whole concept is a psy-op intended to prevent leftists from voting, and therefore prevent them from ever holding actual power.
The problem is that the democratic party, even if it becomes overwhelmed by this new wave of social democrats, will still fall for the same trappings reformist parties run into globally. Internal opposition from those who actually control the economy, the capitalist class. The media outrage is only one small part of it, there’s also the very real fact that dominating production and distribution gives you power to control the state itself. Revolution isn’t just a LARP, in order to truly take political power it needs to be siezed by force, and the commanding heights of the economy expropriated by force.
The party is not an autonomous entity, with its own thoughts and intentions. The people in it, are. If you change the people, you change the party. If the majority of those people propose and vote for different legislation…then the entire political direction of the party shifts.
That isn’t “LARPing”. That’s actual power. LARPing is pretending that what you’re doing is having an impact. Passing actual laws that benefit the working class, actually does have that impact. In fact, it’s the only thing that does. Without laws to solidify a working class agenda, any progress you think you’ve made, is illegitimate.
Take your reform bullshit to a different space. Reform does not work, liberal voters have tried for centuries here in the US and all it’s produced are 2 right wing parties that are never held accountable.
The reason there are two deeply unpopular right wing parties is because capitalists control the state and the economy, and thus pick who the working classes can pick from.
The DNC derives its support and power from wealthy capitalist donors, and is entrenched in the imperialist organ of the US Empire. Legislation is not “word of God,” the superstructure of society does not have power over the base. You can see just how little laws actually matter when it comes to holding those fulfilling the will of capitalists accountable. Both the DNC and GOP have violated national and international law blatantly and repeatedly, but with little to no actual impact.
Without political power, which stems from the base and the state in alignment, ie a monopoly on force, there is no progress. This is why revolution is necessary, not merely reforming and replacing a capitalist party with more radical elements.
Oh, I remember you. You’re the guy who says words without understanding their meaning. As usual, you’re already both agreeing with what I already said, while claiming I’m wrong. No thanks. I have no appetite for word salad today.
No idea what you’re meaning at all, nor why you think I agree with you. Reform is a dead end, revolution is necessary. This seems to run to the polar opposite of what you’re saying. No idea what you mean by me saying I “say words without understanding their meaning” nor how that’s applicable here.
Reform is a dead end, but the alternative is to start a fucking war and leave thousands dead and millions displaced, if the asymmetric warfare of the 21st century is anything to go by. Who’s willing to pay that butcher’s bill? Who even can? Even if you start with nonviolent means, like a general labor strike or civil disobedience, the establishment will introduce violence in an attempt to force people back to work.
Like, it’s all great to read Marx, think dude had some pretty good ideas and want to make them reality, but how do you get there?
Revolution is necessary. If reform cannot work, and the only paths are slow deaths for everyone or a revolution to save the world, then the latter is necessary.
This is the most Reddit Mod shit I’ve seen in years. Do you ever take a moment for self reflection?
Do you genuinely understand what you’re calling for here? It will not be a bloodless revolution, and a lot of people are going to get hurt, imprisoned, or killed resisting the establishment. Because the establishment will resort to violence to break up labor strikes and try to force people back to work, as we’ve seen several times in the US (let alone elsewhere.)
If you’re okay with that, then why are you moderating some random lemmy sub instead of being on the front lines? You’re preparing to fight and kill for the revolution but you still got time to go on power trips on the internet?
You believe that the ends justify the means, and you might even be right. Reform is a delaying tactic, not a solution. But who the fuck wants to pay that butcher’s bill? You?
Revolution is the overthrow of the class that controls the state and the commanding heights of the economy by another class. Labor is inherent, labor-power is commodified labor. The working classes, through revolution, sieze control of the state and the commanding heights of industry, smashing the old capitalist state and replacing it with a proletarian one.
Revolution is the conquest of state power by a given class, legitimized through a monopoly on force and the commanding heights of the economy.
The self-avowed socialist that just won the New York City mayor position is backing Jeffries as speaker of the House. If you try to work within the confines of a poisonous system you will get poisoned
Nah. He’s one of those types that still think the only way to get Socialists elected to office, is if they run 3rd party…despite the fact that more Socialists are beating centrist incumbents all the time.
I swear the whole concept is a psy-op intended to prevent leftists from voting, and therefore prevent them from ever holding actual power.
The problem is that the democratic party, even if it becomes overwhelmed by this new wave of social democrats, will still fall for the same trappings reformist parties run into globally. Internal opposition from those who actually control the economy, the capitalist class. The media outrage is only one small part of it, there’s also the very real fact that dominating production and distribution gives you power to control the state itself. Revolution isn’t just a LARP, in order to truly take political power it needs to be siezed by force, and the commanding heights of the economy expropriated by force.
The party is not an autonomous entity, with its own thoughts and intentions. The people in it, are. If you change the people, you change the party. If the majority of those people propose and vote for different legislation…then the entire political direction of the party shifts.
That isn’t “LARPing”. That’s actual power. LARPing is pretending that what you’re doing is having an impact. Passing actual laws that benefit the working class, actually does have that impact. In fact, it’s the only thing that does. Without laws to solidify a working class agenda, any progress you think you’ve made, is illegitimate.
Take your reform bullshit to a different space. Reform does not work, liberal voters have tried for centuries here in the US and all it’s produced are 2 right wing parties that are never held accountable.
So then what’s your plan? Marx is pretty explicit about needing to violently overthrow the establishment in order to usher in the revolution.
So go ahead, big guy. Go get your rifle and start bringing in that revolution. We’ll be right behind you, pinky swear!
Or maybe we could try the “not a violent lunatic” route?
Or maybe you can go fuck yourself and get out of our way
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The reason there are two deeply unpopular right wing parties is because capitalists control the state and the economy, and thus pick who the working classes can pick from.
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The DNC derives its support and power from wealthy capitalist donors, and is entrenched in the imperialist organ of the US Empire. Legislation is not “word of God,” the superstructure of society does not have power over the base. You can see just how little laws actually matter when it comes to holding those fulfilling the will of capitalists accountable. Both the DNC and GOP have violated national and international law blatantly and repeatedly, but with little to no actual impact.
Without political power, which stems from the base and the state in alignment, ie a monopoly on force, there is no progress. This is why revolution is necessary, not merely reforming and replacing a capitalist party with more radical elements.
Oh, I remember you. You’re the guy who says words without understanding their meaning. As usual, you’re already both agreeing with what I already said, while claiming I’m wrong. No thanks. I have no appetite for word salad today.
Go back to Reddit you fucking loser
No idea what you’re meaning at all, nor why you think I agree with you. Reform is a dead end, revolution is necessary. This seems to run to the polar opposite of what you’re saying. No idea what you mean by me saying I “say words without understanding their meaning” nor how that’s applicable here.
Reform is a dead end, but the alternative is to start a fucking war and leave thousands dead and millions displaced, if the asymmetric warfare of the 21st century is anything to go by. Who’s willing to pay that butcher’s bill? Who even can? Even if you start with nonviolent means, like a general labor strike or civil disobedience, the establishment will introduce violence in an attempt to force people back to work.
Like, it’s all great to read Marx, think dude had some pretty good ideas and want to make them reality, but how do you get there?
Revolution is necessary. If reform cannot work, and the only paths are slow deaths for everyone or a revolution to save the world, then the latter is necessary.
Some accept your chains, but move aside and get out of our way.
This is the most Reddit Mod shit I’ve seen in years. Do you ever take a moment for self reflection?
Do you genuinely understand what you’re calling for here? It will not be a bloodless revolution, and a lot of people are going to get hurt, imprisoned, or killed resisting the establishment. Because the establishment will resort to violence to break up labor strikes and try to force people back to work, as we’ve seen several times in the US (let alone elsewhere.)
If you’re okay with that, then why are you moderating some random lemmy sub instead of being on the front lines? You’re preparing to fight and kill for the revolution but you still got time to go on power trips on the internet?
You believe that the ends justify the means, and you might even be right. Reform is a delaying tactic, not a solution. But who the fuck wants to pay that butcher’s bill? You?
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Revolution is the overthrow of the class that controls the state and the commanding heights of the economy by another class. Labor is inherent, labor-power is commodified labor. The working classes, through revolution, sieze control of the state and the commanding heights of industry, smashing the old capitalist state and replacing it with a proletarian one.
Revolution is the conquest of state power by a given class, legitimized through a monopoly on force and the commanding heights of the economy.
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If they run in the DNC they are not socialist
You sound about as smart as James Carville.
Why are they not Socialists, if they run as Democrats?
The self-avowed socialist that just won the New York City mayor position is backing Jeffries as speaker of the House. If you try to work within the confines of a poisonous system you will get poisoned
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Typical liberal that refuses to see the forest for the trees. “I got mine fuck everyone else.”
Securing federal funding for housing while supporting the people that created the circumstances behind unaffordable housing is moronic circular logic.
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No you are not, you are a liberal thats spouted enough bullshit around here
Lol, no you aren’t