You can tell by their actions that Christians do not really believe that they worship the same God as Islam.
If Christians really believed it was the same God, they’d switch religions to the one with the most up-to-date information from God and become Muslim. If Christians didn’t believe this was the way to choose how to worship, then they’d be Jewish, not Christian.
Whether they should convert doesn’t have much to do with if the God is the same one though. Even within Christianity there are multiple denomination. And that’s without mentioning wacky offsprings like LDS.
Those denominations you mentioned, apart from LDS, work from the same source material. They think they worship the same God, and any differences are just how other denominations misinterpret the scriptures or tradition somehow.
You calling LDS a “wacky offering” is directly in-line with my comment and not your objection. Mormons believe they worship the same God as other Christians, but do other Christians really believe they worship the same God as Mormons? You know, the God who sent an angel to give a new testament to Joseph Smith?
well i guess this gets into the quite philosophical question of what “the same” actually means ¯\(ツ)/¯
each worshiper of “the God” is obviously going to have their own imagine of what “the God” is like. whether it’s within Christianity, or across different religions. it all depends where you draw the line.
in my top level comment, what i meant by “the same” is based on lineage.
To me, some common ways to distinguish beings is by who they are and by what they’ve done or experienced. A person who believes God could microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldn’t eat it worships a different God from a person who believes the opposite.
A person who believes God, by whatever means, gave revelations to Mohammed worships a different God than a person who believes God did not give revelations to Mohammed.
A Christian who believes God gave revelations to Mohammed is an unthinkable contradiction to me. As is a Christian who doesn’t believe one way or the other. Only a Christian who believes God did not give revelations to Mohammed makes sense to be a Christian. That distinguishes the Christian God as a different being from the God of Islam from a Christian’s perspective.
Of course, to a Muslim, this is entirely a moot point. They can easily claim to worship the same God as Christians, the same way that Christians can claim to worship the same God as the Jewish religion.
On a related note, although I wouldn’t want to try to prove it, I personally think that no two believers actually worship the same god, which is sort of an ignostic sort of belief.
Matter of believing different prophets. Anyone can claim to bring the word of god. Who you believe or don’t determines if you’re Jewish, Christian or Muslim.
I’m not agreeing with the other guy, or that I don’t, I’m just saying your comment doesn’t follow from his unless the FSM guy claims to be a new prophet of the same God.
When I saw your comment, I realized that I hadn’t explicitly connected all the dots and that I could have made the point much clearer, and as a result, I was glad that you asked the question. Although I admit I didn’t check the usernames, and I was surprised that you made a comment that so pointedly cleared up the thing I was trying to say.
You can tell by their actions that Christians do not really believe that they worship the same God as Islam.
If Christians really believed it was the same God, they’d switch religions to the one with the most up-to-date information from God and become Muslim. If Christians didn’t believe this was the way to choose how to worship, then they’d be Jewish, not Christian.
“up to date information” buddy its all make believe, calm down
You don’t think it’s important to understand people’s beliefs?
Whether they should convert doesn’t have much to do with if the God is the same one though. Even within Christianity there are multiple denomination. And that’s without mentioning wacky offsprings like LDS.
Those denominations you mentioned, apart from LDS, work from the same source material. They think they worship the same God, and any differences are just how other denominations misinterpret the scriptures or tradition somehow.
You calling LDS a “wacky offering” is directly in-line with my comment and not your objection. Mormons believe they worship the same God as other Christians, but do other Christians really believe they worship the same God as Mormons? You know, the God who sent an angel to give a new testament to Joseph Smith?
well i guess this gets into the quite philosophical question of what “the same” actually means ¯\(ツ)/¯
each worshiper of “the God” is obviously going to have their own imagine of what “the God” is like. whether it’s within Christianity, or across different religions. it all depends where you draw the line.
in my top level comment, what i meant by “the same” is based on lineage.
To me, some common ways to distinguish beings is by who they are and by what they’ve done or experienced. A person who believes God could microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldn’t eat it worships a different God from a person who believes the opposite.
A person who believes God, by whatever means, gave revelations to Mohammed worships a different God than a person who believes God did not give revelations to Mohammed.
A Christian who believes God gave revelations to Mohammed is an unthinkable contradiction to me. As is a Christian who doesn’t believe one way or the other. Only a Christian who believes God did not give revelations to Mohammed makes sense to be a Christian. That distinguishes the Christian God as a different being from the God of Islam from a Christian’s perspective.
Of course, to a Muslim, this is entirely a moot point. They can easily claim to worship the same God as Christians, the same way that Christians can claim to worship the same God as the Jewish religion.
On a related note, although I wouldn’t want to try to prove it, I personally think that no two believers actually worship the same god, which is sort of an ignostic sort of belief.
Matter of believing different prophets. Anyone can claim to bring the word of god. Who you believe or don’t determines if you’re Jewish, Christian or Muslim.
So, if you believe that Bobby Henderson is a prophet, then the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the same God as the Christian God?
Does he claim his teachings are a new revelation from the god of Abraham?
If he does, then would Christians agree that their God is the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
I’m not agreeing with the other guy, or that I don’t, I’m just saying your comment doesn’t follow from his unless the FSM guy claims to be a new prophet of the same God.
When I saw your comment, I realized that I hadn’t explicitly connected all the dots and that I could have made the point much clearer, and as a result, I was glad that you asked the question. Although I admit I didn’t check the usernames, and I was surprised that you made a comment that so pointedly cleared up the thing I was trying to say.