I don’t like the word civilization, although I have a hard time expressing exactly why I feel so. I associate the word with superiority over those who are uncivilized. I feel like the word is forwarding the word [barbarian], and thus creates xenophobia towards tribal societies. It makes us channel our force into the machine rather than into our communities.
I’ll have to read more about this to fern my impression.
Despite the quote, Kropotkin actually criticizes “civilized” peoples in Mutual Aid compared to “uncivilized” peoples, often in tribal forms of society. He doesn’t feitishize tribal societies either though, he tends to lean much more towards the village structure of society, which I agree on. I think an ideal anarchist society would function as a confederation of “villages” (note, I use that term loosely, I am not an anprim). There are PLENTY of historical examples of confederations across the world which have worked, long before the rise of the nation-state in the 1500s, which so “coincidently” forming alongside the advent of capitalism, individualism, and the beginning of European colonialism.
Anyways, I agree. I would describe myself as post-civ, as I think since the rise of the agricultural revolution, the socieities we look back on as entire civilizaitons have been controlled by a powerful, wealthy few, who use their monopoly on violence to enact their will. If that’s what civilization is, then I’m not really here for it.
Civilization is the current state of affairs, a class-based society that must be abolished for it is antithetical to human life, especially nowadays with capital and it’s natural tendencies (war, crises, etc).
With this in mind, the quote implies that a future non-class based society would abolish cooperation which is funny
I don’t like the word civilization, although I have a hard time expressing exactly why I feel so. I associate the word with superiority over those who are uncivilized. I feel like the word is forwarding the word [barbarian], and thus creates xenophobia towards tribal societies. It makes us channel our force into the machine rather than into our communities.
I’ll have to read more about this to fern my impression.
Oh boy do I have a video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0_w87J9Dj0
Despite the quote, Kropotkin actually criticizes “civilized” peoples in Mutual Aid compared to “uncivilized” peoples, often in tribal forms of society. He doesn’t feitishize tribal societies either though, he tends to lean much more towards the village structure of society, which I agree on. I think an ideal anarchist society would function as a confederation of “villages” (note, I use that term loosely, I am not an anprim). There are PLENTY of historical examples of confederations across the world which have worked, long before the rise of the nation-state in the 1500s, which so “coincidently” forming alongside the advent of capitalism, individualism, and the beginning of European colonialism.
Anyways, I agree. I would describe myself as post-civ, as I think since the rise of the agricultural revolution, the socieities we look back on as entire civilizaitons have been controlled by a powerful, wealthy few, who use their monopoly on violence to enact their will. If that’s what civilization is, then I’m not really here for it.
Civilization is the current state of affairs, a class-based society that must be abolished for it is antithetical to human life, especially nowadays with capital and it’s natural tendencies (war, crises, etc).
With this in mind, the quote implies that a future non-class based society would abolish cooperation which is funny