There’s a third and fourth camp though. People just don’t care. GrapheneOS and the other degoogled androids, or Linux phones.
And another store managing your elsewhere installed apps does benefit them. Data, pure lovely nice data. For free. From people who pay to do so.
Having one company fuck my privacy sideways is already enough, but companies competing against each other in the very same hardware is way too much for my liking.
What’s a Linux phone? Linux isn’t hardware and it isn’t an OS. It’s a kernel — which Android uses. Android is really just another Linux distribution (as in, distribution of software that makes up an OS that uses the Linux kernel). It just might not be very desirable to the FOSS crowd. GrapheneOS being more privacy concerned, I would say that’s more of the target “Linux phone” than a new distribution, but, Android basically exists because Steve Jobs said he could get OS X running on a phone, so Andy Rubin basically said “bet” and made a Linux distro for phones. In very simplified, layman’s terms.
So, “the year of Linux” was like, 14 years ago when Android really hit its stride in 2012 or thereabouts. Linux heads wanted people using it on the desktop, but the desktop was becoming the family computer; you either had a Mac (lite) or PC (running a commercial Linux with a Java environment for apps) in your pocket and that was your PC, and has been since.
But if you have any phone, it’s doing things you may not like. Android is obvious. Apple says they protect your data, but even if that’s true (or partially), for how long? They’re trying to break into services. Fortunately, the bean counter CEO is out in a few months, to be replaced by a hardware guy/engineer, so maybe that makes things better? Who knows. And then you have people who don’t want either Apple or Google in their phone, they use something basic, but a lot of bank apps and whatnot say you have to be on one of the main platforms. That’s one reason I have both.
I sure wouldn’t mind if my next Android phone was a Pixel running GrapheneOS, but I feel like that would limit my options.
Year of the linux 14yrs ago? Dude, linux is taking off for sure. Thanks to steam though. Of my 20 machines at home, only 2 are windows (server2025) and just vms.
And there are actual linux-phones. With linux on it. They might not be at their peak yet, but if it gets the basics done, I’m fine. The moment my pixel finally dies, I’ll get one. Screw android (well, screw google, android was fine), and screw apple even more. Closed up walled gardens aren’t my thing. I want to OWN a device not rent it and pay 1500 moneyz to be allowed to use it, and then even pay rent with my data.
As for phones doing things i dont like: no. If an appliance does things i don’t like, i don’t use it or sandbox it or firewall it off. I surveilled graphene for a while now and it really does not send more than it says it does. As for installed apps, that’s my responsibility.
Have to have a “clean” fucking unrooted android-phone for banking- and depot-apps though and one for android-auto. Three phones. So shitty it has become. three expensive stupid phones to do what one should be able to do.
And to clarify, these are linux-kernel distros developed for mobile devices. Previous commenter seemed to care that the Android kernel is based on Linux, even though it’s heavily modified. - “Linux phones” would typically use a much more standard, open-source kernel and driver bundle.
There’s a third and fourth camp though. People just don’t care. GrapheneOS and the other degoogled androids, or Linux phones.
And another store managing your elsewhere installed apps does benefit them. Data, pure lovely nice data. For free. From people who pay to do so.
Having one company fuck my privacy sideways is already enough, but companies competing against each other in the very same hardware is way too much for my liking.
What’s a Linux phone? Linux isn’t hardware and it isn’t an OS. It’s a kernel — which Android uses. Android is really just another Linux distribution (as in, distribution of software that makes up an OS that uses the Linux kernel). It just might not be very desirable to the FOSS crowd. GrapheneOS being more privacy concerned, I would say that’s more of the target “Linux phone” than a new distribution, but, Android basically exists because Steve Jobs said he could get OS X running on a phone, so Andy Rubin basically said “bet” and made a Linux distro for phones. In very simplified, layman’s terms.
So, “the year of Linux” was like, 14 years ago when Android really hit its stride in 2012 or thereabouts. Linux heads wanted people using it on the desktop, but the desktop was becoming the family computer; you either had a Mac (lite) or PC (running a commercial Linux with a Java environment for apps) in your pocket and that was your PC, and has been since.
But if you have any phone, it’s doing things you may not like. Android is obvious. Apple says they protect your data, but even if that’s true (or partially), for how long? They’re trying to break into services. Fortunately, the bean counter CEO is out in a few months, to be replaced by a hardware guy/engineer, so maybe that makes things better? Who knows. And then you have people who don’t want either Apple or Google in their phone, they use something basic, but a lot of bank apps and whatnot say you have to be on one of the main platforms. That’s one reason I have both.
I sure wouldn’t mind if my next Android phone was a Pixel running GrapheneOS, but I feel like that would limit my options.
Year of the linux 14yrs ago? Dude, linux is taking off for sure. Thanks to steam though. Of my 20 machines at home, only 2 are windows (server2025) and just vms.
And there are actual linux-phones. With linux on it. They might not be at their peak yet, but if it gets the basics done, I’m fine. The moment my pixel finally dies, I’ll get one. Screw android (well, screw google, android was fine), and screw apple even more. Closed up walled gardens aren’t my thing. I want to OWN a device not rent it and pay 1500 moneyz to be allowed to use it, and then even pay rent with my data.
As for phones doing things i dont like: no. If an appliance does things i don’t like, i don’t use it or sandbox it or firewall it off. I surveilled graphene for a while now and it really does not send more than it says it does. As for installed apps, that’s my responsibility.
Have to have a “clean” fucking unrooted android-phone for banking- and depot-apps though and one for android-auto. Three phones. So shitty it has become. three expensive stupid phones to do what one should be able to do.
And to clarify, these are linux-kernel distros developed for mobile devices. Previous commenter seemed to care that the Android kernel is based on Linux, even though it’s heavily modified. - “Linux phones” would typically use a much more standard, open-source kernel and driver bundle.