If a political system yields worse candidates, why then should one support a system that still causes damage‽ Why are you blaming a voter for being responsible for harm reduction, when the system still creates damage?
Voting is a tool that works as well as the system it’s used in is working. When things are going well, voting is incredibly useful, when things are going poorly, all it can do is nudge things a tiny bit, rarely to any avail. Still, if someone’s got me tied up, you bet I’m struggling against those ropes, even if the movement isn’t much. I’m not just struggling, though - I’m also yelling and biting. Do everything you can to fight back, regardless of the utility.
Everything seems to be quite black and white in your world, huh? Something something Sith absolutes.
So then if we’re talking hypothetically, in your overthrown fascist government future, what does civilization look like? I’m curious where you’re coming from and what you see and want and think is the right way to do things, specifically after The Revolution™.
Sorry we can’t all live in fantasy land where capitalism and authority is defeated through small electoral reforms that are undone every few elections or abandoned when a ‘crisis’ is near.
No. I am amazed on what little humanity you have, that you believe prisoners should not be empowered to seize their means of liberation, even by silly elections.
Again, arguing with the strawman instead of me. Did I say prisoners should not be able to vote, did you ask my opinion of prisoners being able to vote?
The answer to both is: No, I did not, and No, you did not.
You are having a one sided argument based on your own preconceived notions of my opinion because it’s simpler to argue with an idea in your head than with what a person has said.
I said that people who have the means to vote, should vote. I did not say voting was the only solution to fascism. I said it was one of the many tools we have access to. Prisoners in the USA, are not voters. They do not have that tool, ergo this argument you are trying to have is null and void.
You want to have a talk about if prisoners should be able to vote? Sure, I’m all ears. In fact, I’m sure we agree that they should have a say. We may even both believe in prison abolishin. Hard to say when youre arguing with a boogie man. That does not change the fact that prisoners being able to vote is a completely different discussion than actual voters, the group of people the comment was directed towards.
voting is a tool within the greater antifash idea. anyone trying to convince you not to is a fascist.
Voting is lib bullshit that perpetuates the capitalist system. Anyone selling you voting as a solution is a right winger who wants billions to die.
The only solution is revolution.
Can’t you vote and do a revolution, whenever that’s going to happen
Not as long as voters keep thinking voting is the solution.
It’s not one or the other, you can still vote to try and minimize damage while working towards or dreaming about revolution.
Good sir, WHAT DAMAGE‽
Some candidates are worse than others. You’d preferably would want the less shit one to win
If a political system yields worse candidates, why then should one support a system that still causes damage‽ Why are you blaming a voter for being responsible for harm reduction, when the system still creates damage?
I’m struggling to understand your point. Are you asking why you should vote for the less shitty candidate?
I don’t think anyone politically active thinks voting is the end-all-be-all of political activity.
As for the average person… if you convince them voting doesn’t matter, you know what they’re going to do instead?
NOTHING.
They’re not going to go out of their way to join a political revolution.
They’re just going to give up and say “I guess there’s nothing that can be done.”
Voting is a tool that works as well as the system it’s used in is working. When things are going well, voting is incredibly useful, when things are going poorly, all it can do is nudge things a tiny bit, rarely to any avail. Still, if someone’s got me tied up, you bet I’m struggling against those ropes, even if the movement isn’t much. I’m not just struggling, though - I’m also yelling and biting. Do everything you can to fight back, regardless of the utility.
Did you even fucking read what they said?
It’s a tool within a greater idea, not the solution.
Voting is not a tool, it’s a distraction. It is not antifascist.
Everything seems to be quite black and white in your world, huh? Something something Sith absolutes.
So then if we’re talking hypothetically, in your overthrown fascist government future, what does civilization look like? I’m curious where you’re coming from and what you see and want and think is the right way to do things, specifically after The Revolution™.
Sorry we can’t all live in fantasy land where capitalism and authority is defeated through small electoral reforms that are undone every few elections or abandoned when a ‘crisis’ is near.
I’m an anarchist. You can learn about that here.
Man I miss being so young and simple minded. You probably believe like anarchism or libertarianism and think glassing Israel would fix most of this.
Your post is absolutely poetic: Explain how one can vote one’s self out from the end of brownshirts’ firing squads?
what’s poetic about a scenario less than 1% of voters are actually facing?
Other than blatant denial for the prison-slave capitalism worldwide, your vote is fascist masturbation.
Prisoners can not vote, they are not voters. You are purposefully arguing past what I am saying and seeing your own strawman in the mirror.
No. I am amazed on what little humanity you have, that you believe prisoners should not be empowered to seize their means of liberation, even by silly elections.
Again, arguing with the strawman instead of me. Did I say prisoners should not be able to vote, did you ask my opinion of prisoners being able to vote?
The answer to both is: No, I did not, and No, you did not.
You are having a one sided argument based on your own preconceived notions of my opinion because it’s simpler to argue with an idea in your head than with what a person has said.
I said that people who have the means to vote, should vote. I did not say voting was the only solution to fascism. I said it was one of the many tools we have access to. Prisoners in the USA, are not voters. They do not have that tool, ergo this argument you are trying to have is null and void.
You want to have a talk about if prisoners should be able to vote? Sure, I’m all ears. In fact, I’m sure we agree that they should have a say. We may even both believe in prison abolishin. Hard to say when youre arguing with a boogie man. That does not change the fact that prisoners being able to vote is a completely different discussion than actual voters, the group of people the comment was directed towards.