• kronisk @lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Er, that’s what I am saying however is that you can observe and measure consciousness.

    Going with any definition of consciousness relevant to this discussion, say phenomenality and/or awareness, no.

    I am not sure why it’s hard to accept that some living things may not be conscious. Viruses propagate “mindlessly”, they’re neither living nor conscious.

    That’s not really the point - I don’t claim to know what entities possess consciousness. The point is that you don’t either.

    I also don’t understand why you think emergent properties are a hypothesis. Emergent properties of biological processes are fact

    Obviously I’m talking about Emergentism as it relates to consciousness, and the idea that consciousness is an emergent property is not a fact, no. And there are perfectly valid reasons - for example, the “explanatory gap” - why someone might find it unsatisfactory.

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          2 months ago

          I am interested in knowing if I am wrong, would be cool to see published results which can prove any of these ideas