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  • LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml
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    Well, it could be projecting their understanding of the world onto other people (ewww Trotskyism). What way could you reference Marx to oppose gun control measures? I know of a YouTuber (Wisecrack, I believe) that said Marx did not necessarily support revolution, but I have never heard of the “Marx would have opposed gun control” idea. Revolutionary defeatism? Could you clarify this point? Yeah, there is a whole community based on ideologies, and it ends up being really inaccurate sometimes (I think there is also extensive use of the political compass, which is not useful).

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      That’s basically all there is to it, really. Marx wrote to the German workers in like 1850 something like “under no pretexts should the arms be given up, any attempt to do so should be frustrated by force”. And people take it to mean “In 2026 Marxists should use their [non-existent] political capital to oppose magazine capacity limits”. I’m representing the argument really uncharitably here, there’s gradients of course, and perhaps it’s a useful quote to try and break non-Marxists from their misconceptions about communism. But it’s clear from the context that Marx wasn’t trying to write an 11th commandment.

      Revolutionary defeatism, like refusing to fight in inter-imperialist wars, instead using them as an opportunity to seize power. Relevant in the context of multiple imperial powers vying for control like in WWI, less so in wars of extermination and imperial conquest like WWII and forward. It’ll commonly be invoked against Iran, or even Palestine in fringe cases, or historically to argue against the Chinese communists temporarily uniting with the nationalists to fight the Japanese.

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        But you could argue that the circumstances might have justified a fight against the Japanese first (though I do not know the exact circumstances behind the war, and I know that Japan had a really nasty history with how they treated Chinese people), so calling it revolutionary defeatism seems strange. I have heard of such a thing when someone (probably Lenin) talked about WWI and how all countries (besides Russia and Serbia, I think?) had their communist parties fight for their motherland rather than seizing opportunities or whatever.

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      And Marx not supporting revolution reeks of Western academia’s attempts to coopt him. I’ve heard that take a lot from specifically college-educated liberals whose only exposure to him was in like introduction to philosophy or sociology.

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        Yeah, I remember someone here saying that Marx was turned into a mere theorist or something, and it echoes the “liberal effect” that plagues many communist and anti-capitalist figures: they are demonized, ignored, or pacified (in this case, Marx is generally pacified by being turned into “some well-meaning but wrong theorist”. Honestly, are college people the type that is most likely to become communist? I saw a video of a Cuban meeting a college communist (I think it was a skit, but still), and there is this weird assumption that communists are somehow overrepresented by college students (probably from conservatives spreading the cultural Marxism trope, despite that phrase having nothing to do with Marxism).