• LurkingLuddite@piefed.social
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      27 days ago

      I can build them, but if the crowd doesn’t support it, it’s painting a target on my own back for nothing.

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            26 days ago

            Because they will always be used against you in the end to get back to an even more brutal version of the previous system. Learn the history of the French Revolution.

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              25 days ago

              Do you seriously think getting rid of billionares would be so bad? That it would be worse after? That the US would do the same thing?

              Your lack of imagination of profoundly disturbing.

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                25 days ago

                Go learn the actual history. They just come back, but worse. They also murder the entire left.

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                  25 days ago

                  So do more than deploy guillotines? I don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept…

                  Notice, again, how I never said that these rallies are completely ineffective. They just won’t change the momentum of the current equation.

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                    25 days ago

                    To get to guillotines, you have to change society. By the time you’ve changed society, you don’t need the guillotines. If you focus on the guillotines instead of building that society, you will end up with a more brutal and repressive system than the one you started in. See the history of the French Revolution and the USSR.

                    The South of France is literally the place billionaires go to hang out on their Yachts and Russia is literally the most oppressive and exploitative oligarchy in history. Like… That shit didn’t work. Not only did it not work in the long run, but it almost immediately became way worse.

                    If you build a society that is just and equitable, then the billionaires will starve to death because they can’t exploit anyone. They will starve to death while watching the world for literally everyone else become immeasurably better.

                    Build a world where they have no power. And no, that doesn’t mean “let’s keep having rallies and hoping they’ll listen.” I want the billionaires to die, but I want them to die because they can’t possibly integrate into a just society.

                    I’m not a reformist. Literally every time people talk about NoKings I write a big post about how it needs to go way fucking harder. But I am saying that focusing on vengeance doesn’t built community, and community is what actually eliminates billionaires for good.

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        27 days ago

        There probably will never be a demonstration with perfectly aligned opinions, but I think you would definitely find your crowd or more likely your crowd would find you with such a rallying point.