Apparently, a “gastrointestinal reflex stomach ulcer” or something.
Well, I’m taking this seriously.
Yesterday, I was at the urgent care. It felt, well, horrible. I was throwing up.
Jesus, it was quite something, but I feel better now.
But I need to take care of this issue and want to commit myself to better physical health and exercise as well as strength training.
No more NSAIDs. Frankly, I don’t want to take ever fucking again.
I’m also throwing away that dumb anti-GERD medication taht made me, well, sick.
Also, Trintellix is going out too.
Edit: The medicine that may have likely contributed, in my estimation, was definitely the Pantoprazole Sod Dr 40 Mg Tab (reading from the bottle here lol)
Ahhhhh! That’s terrible, I’ve been there. Go really easy on animal fats, I’m not sure about olive oil, peanut butter, and the like, it’s been a decades since I had to deal with it. I’d definitely avoid hydrogenated vegetable oils and margarine. Also, they probably should have given you an antibiotic, but that wasn’t known when I went through it.
Good luck, comrade! It will suck for six months or a year, but with proper choices in what you send down your gullet, full healing is possible!
Okay, to be clear:
No animal fats?
Soooo… No meat, you mean? Can I have bone marrow broth?
Can I have some meats?
I’m guessing no spicy food or fried food, right?
Olive oil = unsure
Peanut butter = unsure
Definitely avoid = hydrogenated vegetable oils + margarine
Critical support to stomach ulcers furthering the vegan cause. 🫡 /s
On a serious note, it’s as good an opportunity as any to try out delicious plant-based recipes. I recommend checking out https://makeitdairyfree.com/recipes. They have a lot of anti-inflammatory recipes, all allergens and sensitivities clearly listed, and many fairly easy/quick healthy recipes with a lot of variety.
Hope you feel better soon.
What the fuck?
I like veganism and always respected the movement since way back, but you think that this could be related?
Anti-inflammatory, eh?
And these are your recipes?
Could the inflammation affect the ulcer or cause it?
Oh yeah, and maybe get rid of the allergens.
Tbh, I do like plant-based meat, though maybe it’s still disgusting to you…
It was just light-hearted jest (hence the /s), but maybe in poor taste. My bad.
Regarding the recipes, I was going off of what you and @Maeve@lemmygrad.ml were mentioning regarding low-fat, easy-on-the-stomach foods which is why I recommended that website since it has quite a few recipes that I think would be suitable.
I’m no doctor and I don’t know about stomach ulcers specifically, I was just recommending food that is pretty easy on the stomach in a general sense.
They’re not my recipes, I just think they’re pretty good and well-labelled. They also have a youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@thenarddogcooks
I don’t mind plant-based mock-meats at all, I eat them occasionally (though if they’re super-realistic, it does put me off a bit).
I think if you have a sensitive stomach right now it’s still probably better to eat whole foods since processed stuff tends to have a lot of salt and fat in it, which might not be helpful, but I’m not sure.
OH
No, it’s fine!
You weren’t in the wrong AT ALL, good comrade.
I was just wondering if they were genuinely related, is all.
Gotcha!
Thank you!
I’ll try to do more research on what counts as “processed.” Please no MAGA shit if you recommend me anything, but yeah, I’ll do my own research, of course. You know how labels and buzz words get misused, of course.
Oh yeah, I definitely agree there. The way people rail against “processed” food like it has some sort of malignant metaphysical property pisses me off.
I meant more so in the sense that ready-made foods at the supermarkets like mock-meats and such tend to have a high salt and fat content (because the companies want them to taste good if you eat them as-is). Nothing you can’t quickly check off the back of the package.
Tru enough.
I might be fine with the salt, though maybe not fat.
Does salt affect or cause stomach ulcers?
Not sure, but excessive salt is generally not very easy on the stomach.
Meats are fine and small amounts of fats. I wouldn’t be drinking a gallon of whole milk weekly, or slathering butter on everything. Idk about challenge it butter/olive oil spread, spreadable cheeses, etc. maybe a little ghee on toast occasionally. Your … Here, actually: https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-can-i-eat-if-i-have-a-peptic-ulcer-1742154
Idk about live active cultures in Greek yogurt, I’d look for live and active content labels, so I can’t couch veracity for the whole article, but at a glance, it seems decent.
Thank you!
Okay, so, basically, avoid dairy, at least as much as possible?
I just had some Lactaid and non-whole milk.
As a side note, a lot of people who think they are lactose intolerant seem fine when having organic milk. Maybe they’re growth hormone/ milk from antibiotic diet fed cows intolerant. 🤔
Still, what you say is interesting.
I have been interested in veganism for some time too.
Oh fuck, really?
I need more info on this.
So… no anti-Lactose intolerance or Lactaid milk or whatever?
Also, where do I acquire “oranic milk”?
Please no “raw milk” BS, plox.
https://www.tastingtable.com/2009702/best-organic-milk-brands/
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
I shall look into this. If you have more information available, help out, otherwise, I’m doing moar reseaerch, thank you!
Some meats, like fish, are fairly low on fats, but you should avoid fatty foods in general. That includes peanut butter and the like, and fried stuff. Anything that’s heavy to digest. Also try to eat lots of fruit if you can (but remove the skin on apples and such), and fruit juices in bad days where your stomach can’t handle solid food.
Also, avoid milk and derivatives like the plague.
I could go for fish meat, like shrimp.
But frankly?
I could cut the meat entirely.
Might still keep the egg.
I like my eggs, ngl
That’s not immoral, right?
Well, regardless, I think I want to go vegan, but we’ll see about that later.
Avoid crustaceans, but for entirely different reasons. They’re really dangerous for inflammations, including ulcers. When I say fish, I mean fish, either boiled in a stew or oven-cooked.
Probably is immoral from a vegan perspective, but I’m not adivising you to go vegan, only to take care of your health. I think going completely vegan while sick would be a terrible idea, but you do you.
I really don’t believe fetuses are or can be people, just saying… 😅😅
The case against eggs specifically isn’t about killing a potential life,
Ethically It’s more about the suffering of the hens in factory farms being exploited for their eggs their whole life only to be slaughtered afterwards.
Environmentally, it’s about animal products in general being a less efficient source of calories than plants, and so contributing more to climate change overall.
Human health wise, its about a few things.
If you just go vegetarian and cut out all meat you’re still making a huge difference on the environmental and personal health side. I’d personally recommend going vegan long term and cutting out all animal protein (eggs and dairy too), but I don’t think people have to go from omnivore to vegan in one go. Doing a sudden shift when someone isn’t ready can actually make them give up on veganism because of a bad experience.
The key thing is to learn to cook for yourself, explore vegan recipes, and find yourself a good set of staple meals you enjoy with appropriate amounts of fiber, nutrients, and protein.
Any, erm, alternatives to eggs? Also, good point about the hens. Oh, and the climate change too. And eggs may (potentially) give you avian flu or h1n1, etc.? Interesting… And it increases antibiotic resistance in yourself, right?
Got it. I have a family of heart problems.
How does veganism or vegetarianism affect you health and mind-wise compared to before? I need a few anecdotes and studies here, thank you, but I’ll do my own research, of course.
Sorry for the late response,
Personally I’ve always eaten a very healthy diet and lived an active lifestyle, almost no fast food/junk food, no sugary drinks, lots of fruit, veggies, and grains, etc.
So when I switched from omnivore to vegetarian, and eventually to vegan I honestly didn’t notice much of a physical change at all. Still just as strong, I sleep well, eat well, and feel good overall. When I first cut out all animal protein I did experience a bit of a struggle mentally though, animal protein has been advertised as essential for strength and fitness so much so, that despite reading a bunch of studies and knowing about professional and successful vegan athletes, I was still scared I’d get weaker by going vegan lol.
Took a couple months to get over that mental block, but my strength and endurance never went down, it was all in my head. Ofc, some people say it changes their lives and others claim it makes them sick. I say do your research, learn how to cook a bunch of healthy and tasty vegan meals, then try it out for yourself. You can find studies and personal accounts to support basically any diet you want. Lots of bad/biased research gets published and funded and diet is a very emotional/personal thing for most ppl.
I don’t miss eggs really, I sometimes make a tofu scramble as a kinda “scrambled egg” alternative. For baking ppl usually recommend making a “flax egg” as a replacement. At the end of the day though, I’m not trying to perfectly copy/replace all of the animal products I stopped eating.
Its a personal choice, and you just have to accept that you’ll have to go without certain things. I don’t miss meat, eggs, and dairy. I’m happy that i don’t support a cruel system, I’m happy that in a small way I’m minimizing my environmental impact, and I’m happy with the knowledge that statistically at least, I’m at a much lower risk of heart disease and many types of cancer.
If you can’t bring yourself to let go completely at least heavily minimize your animal protein consumption (replace with legumes and mushrooms), cut down on sugars, and avoid processed foods as much as possible. You can still have a positive impact on your health and environment.
The vegan argument over eggs (and milk etc) is not over the egg’s rights (they’re usually unfertilized anyway), but over cruel conditions over the chicken producing that egg, or more radical positions over whether humans have the right to explore animals in general. I’m not vegan, and though I support vegans I strongly advise against going vegan while sick or mixing up your motivations for massive dietary changes. For instance, Oreo is technically vegan and a common dietary bridge for starting vegans, but your ulcer will get infinitely worse if you make that a usual snack in your life. Vodka is technically vegan…
Until you get better, focus on eating healthy food, not necessarily “moral” food. Its going to be a lot harder to become vegan if you end up needing to surgically remove a portion of your stomach walls.
Good points overall.
Also, Oreo? As in, the cookie?
Do I keep eating soup broth or yogurt?
Yeah, the cookie. It has no milk or eggs and it’s a reasonably cheap snack for starter vegans still adapting their diet.
Probably, yeah. I think there are some light low-fat yogurts out there, but I personally don’t have any experience with that.
Also, yeah, I go to Morocco and then Spain in a month.
Oh, btw, I am currently taking:
Ondansetron
Omeprazole
and I think…
Maalox?
Does that ring any bells for you?
No, frankly I wouldn’t take it with an ulcer. Maybe some kind of mucilage forming fiber intake, I recommend from herbal or food sources. Don’t not take your medicine without talking to your care provider, do look into gnarly side effects/warnings/contraindications to discuss with.
Fuck.
You sure? This was given by the doctor that treated me…
I may not have an ulcer but it’s likely I do.
Oh boy…
Well, we’re going to see a gastroenterologist very soon so we’ll see…
What food and herbal medicines do you recommend?
I want stuff that works, not “alternative medicine” or snake oil.
These medications are normal for your condition and pretty low-risk. It’s good you’re seeing a gastroenterologist soon, but I wouldn’t worry about continuing to take what you were given as prescribed.
You mean the Trintellix and the anti-GERD, right?
Because I am taking what they JUST gave me two nights ago, just fyi.
For now.
No, I’m just talking about the ones you said you’re taking, ondansetron (for nausea), omeprazole (PPI, which is maybe what you’re calling anti-GERD, but it’s also used to treat ulcers), and maalox. These are all completely normal for the condition you’re describing. I don’t know what you were prescribed the Trintellix for, and it sounds like something you should definitely talk with your doctor about!
Oh, the omeprazole is not anti-GERD, but yeah
It is a PPI and is used to treat GERD and ulcers. It definitely sounds like you have a lot to talk with your doctor about! I hope you get feeling better.
Yeah, I’m not taking Trintellix anymore. Someone told me that it fucked up their friend’s GI tract as well.
Psyllium husks (metamucil) is good for mucilage. I can’t recommend specific herbs because I don’t know your body and specific contraindications. For example, comfrey root makes plenty of mucilage, but has it’s own risks. I’m willing to take certain risks with myself, not recommend them to you.
You may find mint teas comforting. You may also consider investing in a solid herbal/plant medicine book. Nexium has serious side effects too but the medical association members have zero problems writing prescriptions for it. So perhaps snake oil is in the eye of the beholder.
https://www.drugs.com/sfx/nexium-side-effects.html
Mint tea!
I prefer green tea… but is mint tea better? Can I have both? Can’t hurt, I suppose…
Let’s see…
I am Autistic (ADHD as well). Maybe OCD. Maybe even bipolar.
I thought I had sleep apnea. I 99% probably don’t.
I hate NSAIDs now and always had an increasingly bad reaction to them.
My brother has canola oil allergies. I may too.
I am lactose intolerant, as mentioned before.
I’m short, I guess? Dunno if that affects anything. Overweight, not fat, but I’ve gotten chubbier since the pandemic, ngl.
I’ll look into this more, but in this day and age of AI and misinformation?
Ngl, but I’ll still take my chances with “proven snake oil science” over ingesting the “snake oil” fucking directly down your gullet, you know?