Over 100 Israelis have died and more than 900 were injured after rockets were fired from Gaza by Hamas militants, Israeli officials said Saturday.

The Palestinian Health Ministry said 198 were killed in Gaza and at least 1,610 were injured Saturday in retaliatory attacks from Israel.

“We are at war. We will win,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday.

The Israeli Defense Forces earlier declared “a state of alert for war,” according to a statement issued by the IDF.

“Over the past hour, the Hamas terrorist organization launched massive barrages of rockets from Gaza into Israel, and its terrorist operatives have infiltrated into Israel in a number of different locations in the south,” the IDF said early Saturday.

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              Yes it is. If everyone shares this dream then it’s a reality. But people like Hamas prevent it from being a reality.

              Israel is unleashing holy hell on Gaza right now. Because paradox of tolerance states that while we tolerate many things, the evil intolerance of Hamas cannot be tolerated.

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                What is civilized about turning another nation into an open air prison? What is civilized about collective punishment? What is civilized about imprisonment without trial? What is civilized about turning elderly people out of their family homes, so that foreigners with no real connection to the area may live there instead? What is civilized about ignoring these things? What is civilized about funding and excusing them? Civilization is a lie we congratulate ourselves with when we don’t want to look at the carnage we condone.

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    There was a joke on Rick and Morty that Rick got the Palestinians and the Israelis to sign the treaty of “peace plan that works if you think about it a bit”.

    I am sure every commenter has one of those plans in their back pocket that would work if implemented. The problem is there is no incentive. In Palestinine, Hamas grows stronger the more Palestinians hate Isreal, and their opposition grows stronger the more Palestinians want peace. Meanwhile Likud grows stronger the more Israelis hate Palestinians, and the opposition grows stronger when Israelis want peace. Why would either side implement something that would decrease their power?

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    How can Hamas even think they have an iota of a chance against a military power like Israel?

    It makes no sense.

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    POTUS Biden already gave a response on supporting their military ally, Israel, and if I see one more braindead fucking comment like “sUrE BUt WhERe wAs HAwAiI’s FaST ReSPoNsE?” Within 4 hours he sent aid an national guard response, idk how right wingers keep using that stupid fucking talking point.

    That said I really don’t appreciate the onesidedness of the USA response, I have much higher hopes for the UN council assigned to this issue and any UN Task Forces deployed in the future. I believe Israel mostly caused this issue on their own by the apartheid oppression of Palestinians, I think this outcome and many other attrocities would have been completely avoided in the timeline where Rabin wasn’t assassinated

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      I have much higher hopes for the UN council assigned to this issue and any UN Task Forces deployed in the future.

      LOL! You really don’t understand anything about how the world works, do you?

      I believe Israel mostly caused this issue on their own by the apartheid oppression of Palestinians, I think this outcome and many other attrocities would have been completely avoided in the timeline where Rabin wasn’t assassinated

      Conveniently skipping over Ariel Sharon there aren’t you? You know that time when Israel removed all settlements and ended the occupation of part of Palestine as a goodwill gesture? What happened after that? Something for you to look into.

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        LOL! You really don’t understand anything about how the world works, do you?

        UNSCO and UNDOF both have headquarters in Jerusalem and consistently have teams both in offices and on the ground upholding ceasefires and patrolling the borders. They’ve easily done more good with fewer resources than all singular nations combined on this topic.

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          Yes the UN can help in being observers after a ceasefire is agreed upon.

          Does it look like there’s an imminent ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas?

          Do you think there’s are UN citizens that sign up for the UN military and go through training to serve on UN missions? Not how it is.

          The way it really works is the UN asks actual countries to provide soldiers for these missions. So which countries do you think are going to send their soldiers to fucking Gaza based on a promise by Hamas not to attack them?

          And UN observers don’t fight wars. They just report to both parties of the ceasefire the activities of the other. If either side takes military action the observers leave. Hamas fires rockets at Israel every week. Just that the Iron Dome takes them out and you don’t hear about it. But if you’re the leader of a country are you going to send your soldiers somewhere there will constantly be rockets flying over them with the potential that if the Iron Dome might clip on and divert it into your soldiers?

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            If my memory isn’t failing: then Israel will bomb some apartments, raid and beat some holy sites, eventually call a ceasefire before all the civilians die from lack of food, water, and power, then build more checkpoints and fenced off areas, and finally we’ll be right back here again in a few years until there are no more Palestinians.

            So to answer your question, yes. If it weren’t for the UN I really truly believe Israel would just commit genocide.

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              You’ve obviously consumed a lot of internet propaganda originating from Iran.

              Israel’s intent were actually genocide they could simply drop a nuke on Gaza and there would be nothing the UN could do to stop it. They don’t do that because their intent isn’t on genocide.

              Also the UN cannot be in Israel without the consent of Israel. Nations have ultimate sovereignty over their territory there is nothing about the UN that supersedes national sovereignty. Seems you’ve also fallen prey to the “black helicopter” UN conspiracy theories, just you think UN black helicopters are a good thing. The reality is they don’t exist, UN peacekeepers are only where they are because nations have agreed to their presence to observe the other party of a treaty (and will allow themselves to be likewise observed) to ensure they are complying.

              You should take some time to learn about how things work in the world instead of just believing everything you read on social media. The can provide tools that nations can use to facilitate peace, but the nations themselves decide whether to use those tools.

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                Israel

                Literally sent

                Netanyahu

                To Court

                Over This

                What the hell kind of Iranian Propoganda originates in the courts of Israel?! He was literally removed from power because of the corruption trials.

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                  Israel sends Netanyahu to court over many things. He’s a really crooked dude. So you’re gonna have to narrow down which specific case you’re going on about.

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    If one day someone comes to your house, the one you were born, the same house where your father was born, and his father before him. And starts killing, raping, torturing, executing, bulldozing the houses were your cousins lives, they don’t let you go to your sacred places, they don’t let you even move from the concentration camps and the walls they have erected.

    What would you do? You fight, even if you lose you will fight, even if the world sees the injustice but simply doesn’t care, you will still fight, for them you are a terrorist, but for your people you are a freedom fighter, fighting against invaders.

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        Seriously, I can sympathize with the frustration up to the point where suddenly murdering civilians is ok when “the good guys” are doing it.

        Material conditions my ass, if it’s wrong for one it’s wrong for all.

        And before any Hamaboos show their asses,

        انا امريكاني فالاسطيني، جدي كن من بيتلحم،

        My kin are not your shield for endorsing the same acts you hold up to demonize those you hate you Bougeyevik hypocrites.

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        Additionally, you’re basically saying that Hamas is [justified in slaughtering hundreds of unarmed

        The fact the Israel state contribute to the creation of those monsters, you can’t expect the hate to just disappear.

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      Why leave out the fact that the Jews also have an equally legitimate claim on the land, in addition to having been taken close to the brink of total extermination by circumstances completely beyond their control? A normal, compassionate individual would welcome these people in, make room for them, and live at peace under a stable society, tolerant of different points of view. However, that is not what the Jews encountered upon the creation of Israel. It was just a continuation of the campaign to exterminate them, from a different group. Are you going to argue that it’s bad for Germans to murder Jews, but it is okay for Muslims?

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        The Jewish people who were brought to Palestine in the 40s were not being exterminated by the Palestinians. The Jewish people illegally collected guns while they were there and forced the Palestinians out of their homes and their country.

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          If you go a little further back in history you’ll discover some pretty heavy historical claims to the land by the Jewish people. Just to be clear, I consider “historical claim” to be the most bullshit geopolitical argument in existence. I’m merely pointing out the fallacy in claiming Palestinians have claim, but Jews do not. Palestine wasn’t even a country until it was established when Israel was established. It was just a bunch of nomads moving between various borders.

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            How much further back is a “little further”? My grandmother was one of the people who fled in 1948. The place her grandparents also lived. You’re talking about what 300 years ago? 400? More? Forgive me if I care very little about a claim to a land that is older than Shakespeare.

            I don’t care about a “historical claim” I care about the people who were living in the land and were forcebly ousted in a time frame where the people who were originally ousted are still alive.

            Also they were not “nomads” you fuckin racist. My great grandparents had land, a home, a community that were all taken from them.

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              You’re making an arbitrary claim as though it’s objective. Why is displacement in 1948 justification for historical claim, but expulsion in 1917 not? Beginning 1914 during WW1, many Jews were expelled from Palestine by the Ottoman authorities as enemy nationals, since they had immigrated from countries now at war with the Ottoman Empire. In 1917, the Ottoman authorities carried out the Tel Aviv and Jaffa deportation, expelling the entire Jewish civilian populations of Tel Aviv and Jaffa. Many deportees subsequently died from hunger and disease. Surely those Jews have just as much claim to live in Israel as the Palestinians displaced by the 1947 UN partition plan.

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      What would you do?

      I would not beat, rape, and murder innocent people. That seems like a low bar to clear, right? Attacking military targets and personnel might be morally justified, but certainly not what they did over the weekend.

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        How many of the “terrorists” (the Islamic ones, not the Judaic ones) were actually from the oppressed populations, though? There are a lottttttt of people in that region that hate the Israeli government…Not sure how many of the displaced peoples you’re telling “this isn’t the right way to avenge violent state oppression” are actually participating in the fighting.