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Joseph Gedeon in Washington
Wed 17 Sep 2025 18.18 EDT

“We, as Americans, must end our complicity in the slaughter of the Palestinian people,” he wrote. “Having named it a genocide, we must use every ounce of our leverage to demand an immediate ceasefire, a massive surge of humanitarian aid facilitated by the UN, and initial steps to provide Palestinians with a state of their own.”

He now joins a small but growing list of House members including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib and Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene, as well as Vermont representative Becca Balint, who also called it a genocide earlier in the day.

“Today, I believe the Israeli government is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people,” Balint wrote in an op-ed in the Courier. “As the granddaughter of a man murdered in the Holocaust, it is not easy for me to say that.”

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    Well I’ve no idea what metric you’re using, but it’s certainly not number of deaths. Or proportion of the targeted group that died. Or the rate at which it occurred.

    I guess the metric here is the duration? Yes, Israel has been committing atrocities again Palestinians for a long time - casual murder of civilians, for sure - but said atrocities have only recently graduated to fit the definition of genocide. There’s a reason people weren’t making those claims until the last couple of years. So even by that single metric it’s not the worst.

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      There’s a reason people weren’t making those claims until the last couple of years

      Plenty of people correctly said it was a genocide since 1948, so I’m not sure what you mean here.

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        Some people were using the word genocide in a technically incorrect sense when referring to forced displacement and war crimes. Obviously atrocities have been committed at a varying rate for a long time, but if we’re playing that game, Russia’s varying rates of crimes against the people of Ukraine go back centuries. The bar for genocide however is, quite rightly, set very high. That bar was not met until recently.

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          technically incorrect sense when referring to forced displacement

          Forced displacement and ethnic cleansing isn’t genocide??

          That bar was not met until recently.

          Performing genocide denial and erasing the Nakba to show why genocide has only just occurred is weird.

          technically incorrect sense when referring to forced displacement

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            Hang on, genocide denial? Kindly fuck off with that shit, my point was ‘there have been genocides since ww2 that have resulted in orders of magnitudes more deaths, therefore performatively declaring the situation with Palestine to be the worst is bullshit’. Who’s denying what here exactly?

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                  Twat

                  Being rude AND denying a genocide won’t get you anywhere, pick a struggle.

                  your advice on whether there are other outrageous crimes against humanity being committed

                  It is not my advice and I would never speak on behalf of the Palestinians, so maybe get that clear.

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                    3 hours ago

                    Accepting that something is a genocide and stressing that genocide is bad but also other genocides exist doesn’t sound like denial to me but you do you

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                  The nakba was a genocide, dumbass. Don’t blame others for your ignorance; you chose to be loud and wrong; then people smarter than you called that out.

                  Instead of calling people names you should do some research on the genocide and colonization of Palestinians/Palestine.

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                    Ok numbers obviously not your strong suit. Displacement of 700k ppl, whilst obviously a tragedy on a massive scale, is not equatable to the murder of 8+ million. That is my claim. If you wish to dispute it plz tr harder than ‘genocide denier’, just because you happen to care more about this one.

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      said atrocities have only recently graduated to fit the definition of genocide

      No, they have only recently worsened enough and become publicly verifiable enough that people are admitting what’s been true for a century.

      There’s a reason people weren’t making those claims until the last couple of years

      And that reason is that the media and governments of all western nations were implicitly trusting the Hasbara lies and gaslighting most other people to do so too.

      That the lies only recently stopped working doesn’t mean that they only recently started being lies.