• chitak166@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    It’s not a trick question at all.

    Ukraine is still defending its territory. Ukraine thought, at one time, that it could even take back Crimea. I’m sure many of you thought it could as well. At what point do you admit when you were wrong and acknowledge you could be wrong in the future?

    Now it’s clear they can’t take back Crimea, regardless of how many people believed otherwise. I’m trying to suggest to those same people that maybe, just maybe, it’s possible Ukraine is unable to defend its remaining territory as well.

    The propaganda machine is in full-swing. Don’t fall victim to it, on either sides.

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      11 months ago

      700 Russian casualties yesterday and the kids in the Black Sea naval war says this situation is still significantly dynamic. Failure to advance does not mean Ukraine has lost the way anymore than it means Russia has lost the war in their failure to take Avdivka. People matter. Attrition matters.

      War is politics by other means. Germany lost WWI due to a political failure, not anything on the frontlines. French Soldiers were mutinying up to the day of the armistice. There is a lot of political will in Ukraine and Russia didn’t seem to get the memo that this has turned into an attritional fight. You interpret that as stalemate. They have interpreted it as needing to kill as many Russians as possible. With an average of 800 Russian casualties a day for the last two months, I’d say they are absolutely not losing this war but showing they can consistently be trusted to take the actions that are most sounds towards winning the war.

      Don’t think I don’t understand propaganda and that both sides do it. You do match the Russian narratives perfectly though. Suspiciously so, actually.

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        You do match the Russian narratives perfectly though. Suspiciously so, actually.

        Yeah, I just skipped to the end cause I knew you were going to do this.

        Anyone who is not unwavering in their support of Ukraine is a Russian troll in your mind.

        Forget all the comments I make about diverting resources from Israel to Ukraine, lol. The fact I suggested Ukraine might lose is enough for me to “match the Russian narratives perfectly.” Suspiciously so, actually.

        Nice tribalism. I don’t expect you to rise above it or acknowledge it.

        Don’t think I don’t understand propaganda and that both sides do it.

        You’re doing it right now.