. The race of a voice actor doesn’t matter

. It is possible to wear yoga pants because there comfy

. You don’t need to shower everyday

. It is possible to crossdress/be gender non-conforming without being trans

. Monty Python is very overrated

  • anarchaos@lemmy.ml
    23·
    2 days ago

    none of this makes eating meat cause pain or suffering. these are all problems with production, not consumption.

      • anarchaos@lemmy.ml
        12·
        2 days ago

        an event in the future cannot cause an event in the past. eating the meat doesn’t cause it to have been produced.

        • jsomae@lemmy.ml
          1·
          2 days ago

          That is true, so the pieces of meat which were placed on earth by god 6k years ago can be eaten guilt-free. However, all other pieces of meat require harvesting from an animal first, incurring the aforementioned downsides. Just as purchasing an item encourages its production, eating meat encourages its purchase.

          Here are two simple scenarios where eating the meat does indeed cause meat to be produced:

          • your eating it means that another person doesn’t eat it, so another piece of meat must be purchased for that other person;
          • your eating the meat signals to whoever got the meat for you (perhaps yourself) that you are willing to eat meat and hence they pick up a propensity to get meat for you again in the future.

          Isn’t this simple common sense though? Were you really not aware this is how the world works?

            • jsomae@lemmy.ml
              1·
              2 days ago

              I used “so” and “hence” in both of those examples, indicating what I perceive as causality. How am I wrong?

              • anarchaos@lemmy.ml
                11·
                2 days ago

                people have free will. their actions can only be said to be caused by their own will.

                • jsomae@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  2 days ago

                  A simple test of causality, X => Y: go back in time and change X to ¬X. If ¬Y as a result, it would appear X => Y can be inferred.

                  You can say your eating meat is your free will, but if the meat were counterfactually not produced, you would not eat it. Similarly, your eating meat causes other people to produce more meat. They may have free will, if you believe in that – but you can’t deny that if you hadn’t done X, they wouldn’t have done Y.

                  • NSRXN
                    11·
                    2 days ago

                    meat producers are responsible for their own actions. no one else causes them.

        • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.org
          21·
          2 days ago

          I am not interested in discussing meta-physics. For you to eat meat, an animal suffered. That is the point.