First of all thanks for the correction, English is not my first language, I appreciate it.
So… Yesterday in my country in a local forum someone asked regarding the tariffs, what should we do? Are we going to boycott the US? The general consensus more or less was that yes, that’s what we should do. Then the excuses arrived, but I’m not going to give up Amazon, nor Google, nor Meta, how am I going to give up this or that? Then other person gave them good alternatives and he was totally ignored. I didn’t feel that this was a social need, more like convenience, laziness and apathy. I mean, yeah I can kind of agree with you, there are some things I can’t give up exactly because a social need, if I give up one service I get isolated, and yeah when I get depressed I eat sweets when I shouldn’t… But what about the rest?
Anyway I am no one to tell you how you should live, nor I do have the absolute truth whatever that is, all I am saying is that if we buy into the bullshit (not a little, I wish it was just a little) then bullshit is what we have, and yeah we can bitch all you want about the bullshit we are in, we change or nothing will change. What did you mean when you said “change from within”? Isn’t exactly what I am talking about?
And to be honest I didn’t understand what you meant by this social need. Do we really need to buy all the services the rich offer us as a bait to be happy and content? I am aware that we have some needs to function in society, I’m using them all the time, but I couldn’t use it as an excuse to the extreme bullshit we are in, my colleagues in my last job complained all the time about the stress and long hours in the job and then they spent all their money in “stuff”. Is this the social need? They could work in a low stress job for less money if they didn’t spend so much money in Amazon for things that nobody really needs. But instead they were working harder to get more money to get more stuff to buy, it was madness from my point of view not a social need.
I think that we’re not actually disagreeing, if I’m reading this right. My point about social needs was mostly to do with social media. I could blab some science about how that affects our social needs, but that’s not what we’re really focused on from what I can tell.
We’re both suggesting reducing/moderating our usage of corporat bullshit and particularly American corpos.
However, there is one thing that I noticed which I feel like you misunderstand, or perhaps I misunderstand you.
Stress and long hours in the job and they spent all their money in “stuff”
These are definitely not social needs, but a symptom of the lack of social needs being met. Humans crave companionship, and many people seek that in their items. I think you and I are similar in seeing the absurdity in this, but it appears that you find it more annoying than I do. There is one more layer to this, though, which we’re probably intentionally ignoring; American corpos have monopolies in many areas. I know people who literally do not have access to anything other than corporations
Yes at this point I think I can agree with all you are saying and I don’t feel there is anything I can add. Actually the symptom of a lack of a social need being met is something you gave me to think about.
First of all thanks for the correction, English is not my first language, I appreciate it.
So… Yesterday in my country in a local forum someone asked regarding the tariffs, what should we do? Are we going to boycott the US? The general consensus more or less was that yes, that’s what we should do. Then the excuses arrived, but I’m not going to give up Amazon, nor Google, nor Meta, how am I going to give up this or that? Then other person gave them good alternatives and he was totally ignored. I didn’t feel that this was a social need, more like convenience, laziness and apathy. I mean, yeah I can kind of agree with you, there are some things I can’t give up exactly because a social need, if I give up one service I get isolated, and yeah when I get depressed I eat sweets when I shouldn’t… But what about the rest?
Anyway I am no one to tell you how you should live, nor I do have the absolute truth whatever that is, all I am saying is that if we buy into the bullshit (not a little, I wish it was just a little) then bullshit is what we have, and yeah we can bitch all you want about the bullshit we are in, we change or nothing will change. What did you mean when you said “change from within”? Isn’t exactly what I am talking about?
And to be honest I didn’t understand what you meant by this social need. Do we really need to buy all the services the rich offer us as a bait to be happy and content? I am aware that we have some needs to function in society, I’m using them all the time, but I couldn’t use it as an excuse to the extreme bullshit we are in, my colleagues in my last job complained all the time about the stress and long hours in the job and then they spent all their money in “stuff”. Is this the social need? They could work in a low stress job for less money if they didn’t spend so much money in Amazon for things that nobody really needs. But instead they were working harder to get more money to get more stuff to buy, it was madness from my point of view not a social need.
I think that we’re not actually disagreeing, if I’m reading this right. My point about social needs was mostly to do with social media. I could blab some science about how that affects our social needs, but that’s not what we’re really focused on from what I can tell.
We’re both suggesting reducing/moderating our usage of corporat bullshit and particularly American corpos.
However, there is one thing that I noticed which I feel like you misunderstand, or perhaps I misunderstand you.
These are definitely not social needs, but a symptom of the lack of social needs being met. Humans crave companionship, and many people seek that in their items. I think you and I are similar in seeing the absurdity in this, but it appears that you find it more annoying than I do. There is one more layer to this, though, which we’re probably intentionally ignoring; American corpos have monopolies in many areas. I know people who literally do not have access to anything other than corporations
Yes at this point I think I can agree with all you are saying and I don’t feel there is anything I can add. Actually the symptom of a lack of a social need being met is something you gave me to think about.
Thank you for debate, have a nice day :)