Proton business model is inherently disincentivizing them to do so. They are a profitable company with a clear profile that would lose so many customers if they decide to do so.
Didn’t work on you
Proton is incorporated in Switzerland, it’s unclear what the benefit would be to “appease” Trump.
Straw man
So even if Andy Yen was a full on MAGA, he still wouldn’t have autonomy to decide that.
being a non profit and him owning enough of it to do what he wants are unrelated.
There is absolutely nothing in the history of Proton that suggests they would be open to backdooring their software.
Quoting an incomplete sentence is peak bad faith.
Please, elaborate on how they can backdoor the email communication without the change be visible in the clients. Take a proton to proton communication, and show me how they can backdoor the PGP encryption.
I will propose 2 ways:
maliciously patch the JS code of the webmail client, which will show the change in the browser, network communications etc.
simply backdoor the client which will make it visible in the repo.
Didn’t work on you
Because they didn’t do anything that indicates they are violating my privacy. If they would, I would redirect my domain and drop them in a blink of an eye.
Straw man
It’s not a strawman lol. Pointing out the fact that it’s not evident what the advantage would be is an actual argument against saying that they would backdoor the software in compliance with trump’s wishes.
Asking what the benefit is for such an immoral and illegal action seems reasonable to me?
being a non profit and him owning enough of it to do what he wants are unrelated
False. He gave away his stocks of the for profit company, which is now controlled by the nonprofit where he is 1 out of 5 (or 6?) In the board.
A decision like this realistically will need to be approved by the board.
Explain how he “owns enough to do what he wants” please.
Tell that french activist they turned logging on for and gave up to the authorities.
what would you expect any organization could do in that position? If there is a culprit there, it is the government.
Complying with legal orders (which BTW they are transparent about and they challenge lots of them too) is a requirement for a company to operate.
There are 2 cases that I know of so far (in the other they have been forced to give all the data they had about a user, and the only data they gave was a recovery email address), and they are 100% expected. Unless you want to be a rogue organization, there is nothing you can do in those cases.
This if anything is a good test that shows how little data they collect or have.
Unfortunately for logs of VPN connection there is no technical solution that will ever prevent from logging data again (mullvad is now experimenting with a double tunnel, but that is just a small nuisance for law enforcement), like there is for encryption (I.e., encryption happened with keys we cannot retrieve, sorry can’t help you).
k, moderator wants to censor my calling you out on trolling, LET’s PLAY!
We have the tweet, the context, his direct statements saying he didn’t.
You just cited an opinion piece written by the PR department of Proton (https://medium.com/@ovenplayer) one article, 0 followers.
We do have the tweet. All of them in fact. They back up my claims.
The other person you commented on already addressed this and you just downvoted him without any rebuttal.
Quoting an incomplete sentence is peak bad faith. Please, elaborate on how they can backdoor the email communication without the change be visible in the clients
Backdoor is on the server side. For you to mention a backdoor on the webclient makes me thing you don’t actually know how all this works. where they store your email. They already busted an activist for the french government by changing their backend terms.
Because they didn’t do anything that indicates they are violating my privacy
They violated other peoples privacy, but I see, if they don’t violate yours to your face, it didn’t happen?
It’s not a strawman lol.
no one claimed it in the first place, that makes it a straw man.
what would you expect any organization could do in that position?
If you’re going to bust people, be open about it up front, Here we have people like you fighting as hard as they can to say how incredibly private they are simply becuase they said so . You bought into their propaganda so far that you’re willing to ignore anything done wrong by them and continue to claim how secure they are.
I maintain that you are either a PR plant for Proton, or just Trolling us.
lie
lie
Didn’t work on you
Straw man
being a non profit and him owning enough of it to do what he wants are unrelated.
https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/
Tell that french activist they turned logging on for and gave up to the authorities.
We have the tweet, the context, his direct statements saying he didn’t. You have your own interpretation. See also https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e
Quoting an incomplete sentence is peak bad faith. Please, elaborate on how they can backdoor the email communication without the change be visible in the clients. Take a proton to proton communication, and show me how they can backdoor the PGP encryption. I will propose 2 ways:
Because they didn’t do anything that indicates they are violating my privacy. If they would, I would redirect my domain and drop them in a blink of an eye.
It’s not a strawman lol. Pointing out the fact that it’s not evident what the advantage would be is an actual argument against saying that they would backdoor the software in compliance with trump’s wishes. Asking what the benefit is for such an immoral and illegal action seems reasonable to me?
False. He gave away his stocks of the for profit company, which is now controlled by the nonprofit where he is 1 out of 5 (or 6?) In the board. A decision like this realistically will need to be approved by the board. Explain how he “owns enough to do what he wants” please.
what would you expect any organization could do in that position? If there is a culprit there, it is the government. Complying with legal orders (which BTW they are transparent about and they challenge lots of them too) is a requirement for a company to operate. There are 2 cases that I know of so far (in the other they have been forced to give all the data they had about a user, and the only data they gave was a recovery email address), and they are 100% expected. Unless you want to be a rogue organization, there is nothing you can do in those cases. This if anything is a good test that shows how little data they collect or have. Unfortunately for logs of VPN connection there is no technical solution that will ever prevent from logging data again (mullvad is now experimenting with a double tunnel, but that is just a small nuisance for law enforcement), like there is for encryption (I.e., encryption happened with keys we cannot retrieve, sorry can’t help you).
k, moderator wants to censor my calling you out on trolling, LET’s PLAY!
You just cited an opinion piece written by the PR department of Proton (https://medium.com/@ovenplayer) one article, 0 followers.
We do have the tweet. All of them in fact. They back up my claims.
The other person you commented on already addressed this and you just downvoted him without any rebuttal.
Backdoor is on the server side. For you to mention a backdoor on the webclient makes me thing you don’t actually know how all this works. where they store your email. They already busted an activist for the french government by changing their backend terms.
They violated other peoples privacy, but I see, if they don’t violate yours to your face, it didn’t happen?
no one claimed it in the first place, that makes it a straw man.
If you’re going to bust people, be open about it up front, Here we have people like you fighting as hard as they can to say how incredibly private they are simply becuase they said so . You bought into their propaganda so far that you’re willing to ignore anything done wrong by them and continue to claim how secure they are.
I maintain that you are either a PR plant for Proton, or just Trolling us.
Civil enough mods?
Removed by mod
If y’all are expecting (and relying on) legal businesses to tell police raiding their offices to fuck off, then you clearly don’t understand secops.
If they go after encryption in earnest there’s not going to be any room for secops left.