• flashgnash@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    In no capitalist society that I know of will you be executed for not working - you have a right to life

    What you don’t have the right to is someone else to provide for you if you don’t give anything back

    That said I’m fairly sure with the amount of automation we have everyone should need to put in a whole lot less work than they do to keep society afloat

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      8 months ago

      What you don’t have the right to is someone else to provide for you if you don’t give anything back

      Yes you do. Lots of people are on disability benefits, unemployment, a pension, or are literal children. And those programs should be expanded to cover everyone who doesn’t work, not just those who can justify their existence to a government form.

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        8 months ago

        In the case of someone who can’t work for one reason or another there’s obviously an exception because that’s not something they can help

        Children do contribute to society by getting an education and having a childhood to develop into well adjusted adults who contribute later on,

        Unemployment benefits presumably are for people actively searching for a job

        The elderly have already contributed more than their fair share raising their children

        Using the phrasing people who don’t work implies including people who are able but just don’t want to

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          8 months ago

          There’s nobody like that. You’re talking about imaginary people. All human beings have a natural drive to do useful work.

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      8 months ago

      What are you saying? That you wouldn’t give anything back if not for the threat of homelessness and starvation? I don’t need a threat to make the world a better place.

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        8 months ago

        I’m sure I’d give something back but I’m also sure most of it wouldn’t be of much use to anyone else, I’d be working on stuff like mods, niche tools for myself that probably 3 people on earth would find useful, and stupid ideas for fun like some streamers get to

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          8 months ago

          Listen, I don’t think it’d be as disasterous for anyone with a passion. The people who would be fucked and have to adjust are the ones whose only goal is get money. Imo thats not a healthy way to be a human as it usually has a price tag of everyone else. Theres constant suffering every day and most of it is in the name of profits. Shit, my boss acts like it’d murder him to get me 10k more a year so I am not below the american median when in reality the company wouldn’t even count that as pocket change, I see the revenue and expenses every day. The sociopaths control and benefit from this system and you defend it. Its like a strange stockholm syndrome.