If you want a dnd like experience Pathfinder is your bet, it’s got a lot more rules to it but if you read them you’ll understand why. You can read them for free on aonprd.com by the way. Pathfinder gives you far more creative freedom than 5e while still being relatively tight.
My person recommendation for newbies to the hobby is Chronicles of Darkness. It’s way cheaper than 5e too, if you stick to a single splat, think something like a race expanded out into a full game; vampires, werewolves, mages, changelings, humans who hunt monsters, mutants, things like that. The games are narrative focused but don’t neglect combat (like 5e neglects narrative).
it’s got a more free form point buy system, instead of leveling up and all your dice rolls just get better you get to put experience into whatever skill/ability you want to be better at or perk you want to have.
it’s mechanics are genuinely simple, almost everything in the game is handled with the same kind of roll; you and your dm picks a skill (let’s say crafting) and an ability (like 5e’s ability scores, let’s say intelligence) for whatever you want to do then you roll however many d10s as points you have in those scores.
it’s setting is easier to understand, it’s just modern day earth with a magical underground, that makes it way easier to know how much any given thing would cost or where you gotta go to do something. There are lots of weird things going on, but a new player doesn’t need all of those and has plenty of information to be grounded otherwise.
it gives you lots of things to work with (like bloodlines for vampires or groups to join as anything else) but also explicitly encourages you and your dm to create new things with the base stuff as guidelines.
A few other recommendations; world of darkness is my preferred game, so i gotta mention it. Gurps is the most open game I’ve ever played, you can do literally anything.
Pathfinder is the “we have both kinds of music: country and western” answer. I think pf 2nd edition is probably the best bet if you want to stay in the genre. I haven’t played it but I’ve heard good things.
One thing I didn’t touch on in my rant is genre. If you are trying to do something that isn’t a dungeon crawl, probably don’t use DND.
I personally really like Fate. It’s more in line with how I imagine RPGs should go. Very narrative, lots of creative freedom. If you want a really crunchy system with lots of rules, it’s not for you.
You know how sometimes people talking about DND will be like “ah yes my character will really come online when I hit 7th level as a monk paladin bard”? That’s kind of nonsense. In fate if you wanted to be a righteous rockstar with a mean left hook, you could just write down “Rocker on a mission from God” as your high concept. If everyone agrees that’s cool and they get it, you’re done. Character works in session 1.
DND also tends to make the players be very zoomed in on their characters. Some people like that. I prefer fate where it’s a little more zoomed out, and you’re expected to think about the scene and story. As a player you have input.
That said, blades in the dark is also pretty popular. I don’t like it for much less severe reasons than the problems I have with DND. It’s not a bad game, I don’t think, but there are some choices it made that I don’t enjoy.
As someone who’s only ever played 5e, I ask, what would you say is a better? PF? That’s the one I hear a lot.
If you want a dnd like experience Pathfinder is your bet, it’s got a lot more rules to it but if you read them you’ll understand why. You can read them for free on aonprd.com by the way. Pathfinder gives you far more creative freedom than 5e while still being relatively tight.
My person recommendation for newbies to the hobby is Chronicles of Darkness. It’s way cheaper than 5e too, if you stick to a single splat, think something like a race expanded out into a full game; vampires, werewolves, mages, changelings, humans who hunt monsters, mutants, things like that. The games are narrative focused but don’t neglect combat (like 5e neglects narrative).
it’s got a more free form point buy system, instead of leveling up and all your dice rolls just get better you get to put experience into whatever skill/ability you want to be better at or perk you want to have.
it’s mechanics are genuinely simple, almost everything in the game is handled with the same kind of roll; you and your dm picks a skill (let’s say crafting) and an ability (like 5e’s ability scores, let’s say intelligence) for whatever you want to do then you roll however many d10s as points you have in those scores.
it’s setting is easier to understand, it’s just modern day earth with a magical underground, that makes it way easier to know how much any given thing would cost or where you gotta go to do something. There are lots of weird things going on, but a new player doesn’t need all of those and has plenty of information to be grounded otherwise.
it gives you lots of things to work with (like bloodlines for vampires or groups to join as anything else) but also explicitly encourages you and your dm to create new things with the base stuff as guidelines.
A few other recommendations; world of darkness is my preferred game, so i gotta mention it. Gurps is the most open game I’ve ever played, you can do literally anything.
Pathfinder is the “we have both kinds of music: country and western” answer. I think pf 2nd edition is probably the best bet if you want to stay in the genre. I haven’t played it but I’ve heard good things.
One thing I didn’t touch on in my rant is genre. If you are trying to do something that isn’t a dungeon crawl, probably don’t use DND.
I personally really like Fate. It’s more in line with how I imagine RPGs should go. Very narrative, lots of creative freedom. If you want a really crunchy system with lots of rules, it’s not for you.
You know how sometimes people talking about DND will be like “ah yes my character will really come online when I hit 7th level as a monk paladin bard”? That’s kind of nonsense. In fate if you wanted to be a righteous rockstar with a mean left hook, you could just write down “Rocker on a mission from God” as your high concept. If everyone agrees that’s cool and they get it, you’re done. Character works in session 1.
DND also tends to make the players be very zoomed in on their characters. Some people like that. I prefer fate where it’s a little more zoomed out, and you’re expected to think about the scene and story. As a player you have input.
That said, blades in the dark is also pretty popular. I don’t like it for much less severe reasons than the problems I have with DND. It’s not a bad game, I don’t think, but there are some choices it made that I don’t enjoy.
Go play Blades In The Dark or Monster Of The Week