If its peer reviewed then it should go through the experimental setup, the data and accompanying math. They can be evaluated by anyone with enough basic knowledge with math usually being the limiting factor. For example there was this study about animal intelligence that the criteria was if they could recognize themselves in a mirror. Birds and dolphins made the cut but not dogs. My complaint was it was biased to animals where vision was their more primary sense. Now im not an expert in the field but I can still find fault in that way.
Though, that’s not peer review. What you’re describing is reproducibility. And that’s the very minimum to qualify as science. If it doesn’t describe the experiment well enough so an expert can follow it… It’s not even proper science.
Peer review means, several expert in that domain already took some time to go through it and point out flaws, comment on the methodology and gave a recommendation to either publish it or fix mistakes. It’s not the ability to do it, but that it actually already happened. And it has to be other researchers from the same field.
And there is even another possible step after that, if an independent other research group decides to reproduce the experiment and confirm and verify the results.
Yeah, but the question was: how does someone find out something is peer reviewed? And phrasing it like this is silly… It’s peer reviewed if it’s peer reviewed… That’s a tautology. Sure it’s true. But it doesn’t mean anything. And if you take the implication the other way round (as I did), it’s wrong. That’s what I pointed out. Minus the tautology part.
Okay Ojay okay. Help me out. Why are you claiming that this is the question?
“The question was: how does someone find out something is peer reviewed”
Please literally show where you see this being asked. It was not asked in the top comment, nor is it necessary to ask. I don’t understand why you feel it is silly or unnecessary as it is very clearly used for a specific purpose when i read the top comment.
Again you are wrong. It was not the question of the top comment you responded to. That was a follow up question that is irrelevant because the comment you that started this discussion cleanly clearly and unambiguously removed any need to discuss how to find out if something is peer reviewed by the first words they started the comment with.
If it is peer reviewed…
And they gave an example of something that you could do to further verify a peer reviewed paper. You can replicate the experiment and get the same results but then offered an example where there might be a problem with only reproducing the results, to them anyway
Also: how do you identify a work as peer reviewed?
Then HubertManne directly replied to that: “If its peer reviewed then …”
Then I replied saying, everything after the “then” (the main text of the comment) has nothing to do with peer review but is a different concept. So no one gets the impression you can make the judgement the other way around: If it’s doing that, then it’s peer-reviewed. Because that’d be wrong.
And then we started having this lengthy discussion. Do you concur? Or are we having some technical difficulties, and we’re somehow seeing a different post/comment tree?
If its peer reviewed then it should go through the experimental setup, the data and accompanying math. They can be evaluated by anyone with enough basic knowledge with math usually being the limiting factor. For example there was this study about animal intelligence that the criteria was if they could recognize themselves in a mirror. Birds and dolphins made the cut but not dogs. My complaint was it was biased to animals where vision was their more primary sense. Now im not an expert in the field but I can still find fault in that way.
Though, that’s not peer review. What you’re describing is reproducibility. And that’s the very minimum to qualify as science. If it doesn’t describe the experiment well enough so an expert can follow it… It’s not even proper science.
Peer review means, several expert in that domain already took some time to go through it and point out flaws, comment on the methodology and gave a recommendation to either publish it or fix mistakes. It’s not the ability to do it, but that it actually already happened. And it has to be other researchers from the same field.
And there is even another possible step after that, if an independent other research group decides to reproduce the experiment and confirm and verify the results.
You kinda glossed right over that didnt you? Maybe an edit is in your future?
Yeah, but the question was: how does someone find out something is peer reviewed? And phrasing it like this is silly… It’s peer reviewed if it’s peer reviewed… That’s a tautology. Sure it’s true. But it doesn’t mean anything. And if you take the implication the other way round (as I did), it’s wrong. That’s what I pointed out. Minus the tautology part.
Okay Ojay okay. Help me out. Why are you claiming that this is the question?
“The question was: how does someone find out something is peer reviewed”
Please literally show where you see this being asked. It was not asked in the top comment, nor is it necessary to ask. I don’t understand why you feel it is silly or unnecessary as it is very clearly used for a specific purpose when i read the top comment.
Again you are wrong. It was not the question of the top comment you responded to. That was a follow up question that is irrelevant because the comment you that started this discussion cleanly clearly and unambiguously removed any need to discuss how to find out if something is peer reviewed by the first words they started the comment with.If it is peer reviewed…And they gave an example of something that you could do to further verify a peer reviewed paper. You can replicate the experiment and get the same results but then offered an example where there might be a problem with only reproducing the results, to them anywayThat’d be the body text of the post:
Then HubertManne directly replied to that: “If its peer reviewed then …”
Then I replied saying, everything after the “then” (the main text of the comment) has nothing to do with peer review but is a different concept. So no one gets the impression you can make the judgement the other way around: If it’s doing that, then it’s peer-reviewed. Because that’d be wrong.
And then we started having this lengthy discussion. Do you concur? Or are we having some technical difficulties, and we’re somehow seeing a different post/comment tree?
Okay I’m done with this you are just being obstinate or intentionlly trolling me