• Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    18 days ago

    agreed but imo language is not a big deal compared to more substantial things (rights material stuff etc)

    Im very gay, if you stand for my rights I don’t mind if you drop a homophobic slur in a heated gamer moment, nobody is perfect 🤷‍♀️

    (obligatory “don’t compare one marginalised group to another” but i’m also not perfect ok)

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      18 days ago

      Hi very gay. We should also strive to not use ableist language when trying to insult appropriatetly. Plus, most times you don’t need to insult to get the exact substantial things we need said.

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      18 days ago

      I’m gay also, and I strongly care if in a heated moment you let the mask slip about what you really think of me.

      An ally isn’t someone who gives the most basic level of support for human rights, it’s someone who holds others to account even when no one from that group is around.

      • Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone
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        17 days ago

        …Let the mask slip…

        This is where we differ: I don’t think that thougthlessly using a slur you’ve heard everywhere – school, TV, work, family etc – strongly defines your worldview or impact on others.

        It is not harmless, and you well within your rights to be offended. Often times it is q sign of deep seated homophobia. Sometimes it’s not IMO, and I prefer to not jump to conclusions.

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          17 days ago

          In my generation at least almost everyone said gay as a synonym for lame or whatever, but didn’t really connect the dots between the word and gay as in homosexual. Almost everyone I know that used to use it/still use it, if they learn someone around them is gay they’re like “he’s gay? k” and they aren’t homophobic in the least. It just turned into such a common thing that it got somewhat disconnected from the orientation meaning. I just stopped using it because I saw actual hateful people using it and didn’t want to be mistaken for them.

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            17 days ago

            I’m from that generation, and let me tell you it fucking sucked and still does hearing your identity be used as an insult.

            And trust me, a lot of them are homophobic even if you didn’t see it.

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              15 days ago

              yeah I definitely saw that and as soon as I realized I stopped saying it. It’s pretty disheartening to hear it now because now it’s from people who really should know how hurtful it is :/

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        17 days ago

        i have a hard time taking this kinda social media stuff seriously

        if the extent of your support for whatever marginalized group is policing words and posting memes from on high it’s performative

        i’ve literally seen a white portland teen explain to an older black dude why using the n word was violence

        i hope you’re doing more than just going around correcting people

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      17 days ago

      Leftists will talk about right wingers like they’re right wingers.

      Liberals have created these global conditions that enabled the rise of MAGA and other fascists.

      • TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de
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        17 days ago

        Often people that call themselves liberals still support causes that are what academics would call leftist. Attacking them for not knowing the differences is pretty par for the left.

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          17 days ago

          Being completely ignorant of the systems of oppression that keep you comfortable can make me quite judgemental.

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    17 days ago

    Leaded petrol: it really is brain damage for a couple of generations.

    Though this doesn’t excuse using anything as a slur.

    Most of the people who you’d like to lazily use a slur to describe probably have actual actions that can be used to describe them without resorting to a slur.

    Like that orange-faced convicted rapist.