I’m aware of the fact that the US state apparatus crushes and delegitimizes organizing efforts. I fail to see why you believe the correct course of action to be, within this context, to launch a guerilla war.
two things are necessary to be successful in a revolution . . . an idea in the head, and a bullet in the rifle! The force of action guided by the force of Anarchist thought.
— Kropotkin
How do you get anarchist ideas in people’s heads, if not by educating, agitating, and organizing? Wouldn’t it be better to form a disciplined revolutionary organization that can do all 3, taking issues like public opposition to Trump to proliferate these ideas? That’s what most groups have been using the No Kings protests for. Rallies and protests aren’t just going outside, holding a sign, and going home. They come with numerous conversations and recruitment drives that advance these three lines.
At foodbanks, parks, libraries, free free markets, etc… You have ⅓ of the population unwilling to get educated, agitated, organized. The other ⅓ is destroying educational materials, agitating, and organized. We are the last ⅓, the class conscience educated, agitated, but disorganize group. You won’t be agitating the unwilling, or the nazis.
Rallies and protests aren’t just going outside, holding a sign, and going home.
Then how was your recruiting tally? We got zero volunteers. Heck Texas managed to arrest theirs, Utah got some killed, Michiganders got deathcamped. Demagogues are dead set on keeping us killed, burned, and unremembered.
I can’t give any numbers, but I can say that educating, agitating, and organizing is still very effective, and remains to be the most critical task. I’d say 5% are actually educated, agitated, and organized, maybe even 1%, or .1%. However, I’d also say that 75% of people are increasingly willing to learn, as conditions continue to decay and organization continues to advance. The rates of organization and radicalization are accelerating.
The way I see it, being unwilling is almost always because someone doesn’t yet feel the need to. As imperialism decays, more and more people feel the heat under their feet, and feel the need to understand why. This happens at different rates for different people in different positions, but it is happening. And no, we can’t really sway Nazis. At the end of the day, reactionaries exist, and will oppose us.
For clarity, I’m a Marxist-Leninist, not an anarchist. I used to be one, but that’s no longer a part of my life. I am simply advocating for effective practice, which even anarchists should be able to copy.
OPSEC is generally poor, which is why disciplined organizations are necessary. As for opposing vanguardism, this just returns us to the problem at hand: how do you educate, agitate, and organize, without building up an organization with both discipline and the will to do so? This is why it seems to me that you are so cynical about everything, you oppose tried and true methods, and at the same time believe that because there is no guerilla war ongoing right now, that the class struggle isn’t advancing. It’s pure defeatism.
Until this doesn’t improve at an exponential rate, CIA, NSA, FBI, HSI, ICE, Marines, National Guards, state cops & local PDs will keep successfully deathcamping your undisciplined vanguard. I don’t oppose vanguarding while revolting. I oppose it after the proletariat is free.
the class struggle isn’t advancing.
because we are seeing the exact opposite advancing: the class unconscious doesn’t want to learn. They want to stay performing in social media. They want to keep electoralism. They want to pretend there will be justice served after 2028.
You know the first rule of warfare is securing reliable food. Until that is accomplished, fascism will remain the quo. Need not remind you, it’s been past a generation of fascism.
I haven’t seen mass attacks succeed against the various parties attempting to become a vanguard. ICE fascists and the like brutalizing the people isn’t the same as succeeding in arresting organizers, even if some have been explicitly called out by the capitalist state. As for the vanguard becoming unnecessary after the proletariat is free, I agree, but we likely have different views on how the proletariat as a whole and it’s vanguard reinforce each other, and what the timeframe for the proletariat becoming actually free is.
As for the “politically unconscious,” this is not a permanent fixture. Again, socialism and communism are more popular than ever before in Statesian history. There’s no chance that everyone of them understands what these words mean, but plenty of them do, and this number is increasing. People’s ideas come from their material conditions, and are largely learned through struggle.
I’m aware of the fact that the US state apparatus crushes and delegitimizes organizing efforts. I fail to see why you believe the correct course of action to be, within this context, to launch a guerilla war.
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How do you get anarchist ideas in people’s heads, if not by educating, agitating, and organizing? Wouldn’t it be better to form a disciplined revolutionary organization that can do all 3, taking issues like public opposition to Trump to proliferate these ideas? That’s what most groups have been using the No Kings protests for. Rallies and protests aren’t just going outside, holding a sign, and going home. They come with numerous conversations and recruitment drives that advance these three lines.
At foodbanks, parks, libraries, free free markets, etc… You have ⅓ of the population unwilling to get educated, agitated, organized. The other ⅓ is destroying educational materials, agitating, and organized. We are the last ⅓, the class conscience educated, agitated, but disorganize group. You won’t be agitating the unwilling, or the nazis.
Then how was your recruiting tally? We got zero volunteers. Heck Texas managed to arrest theirs, Utah got some killed, Michiganders got deathcamped. Demagogues are dead set on keeping us killed, burned, and unremembered.
I can’t give any numbers, but I can say that educating, agitating, and organizing is still very effective, and remains to be the most critical task. I’d say 5% are actually educated, agitated, and organized, maybe even 1%, or .1%. However, I’d also say that 75% of people are increasingly willing to learn, as conditions continue to decay and organization continues to advance. The rates of organization and radicalization are accelerating.
The way I see it, being unwilling is almost always because someone doesn’t yet feel the need to. As imperialism decays, more and more people feel the heat under their feet, and feel the need to understand why. This happens at different rates for different people in different positions, but it is happening. And no, we can’t really sway Nazis. At the end of the day, reactionaries exist, and will oppose us.
For clarity, I’m a Marxist-Leninist, not an anarchist. I used to be one, but that’s no longer a part of my life. I am simply advocating for effective practice, which even anarchists should be able to copy.
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Last time I got detailed that Americans have piss poor OPSEC.
I am myself opossum anarchist: my vanguardism ends with our freedom. No buros, no Trotskyism.
OPSEC is generally poor, which is why disciplined organizations are necessary. As for opposing vanguardism, this just returns us to the problem at hand: how do you educate, agitate, and organize, without building up an organization with both discipline and the will to do so? This is why it seems to me that you are so cynical about everything, you oppose tried and true methods, and at the same time believe that because there is no guerilla war ongoing right now, that the class struggle isn’t advancing. It’s pure defeatism.
Until this doesn’t improve at an exponential rate, CIA, NSA, FBI, HSI, ICE, Marines, National Guards, state cops & local PDs will keep successfully deathcamping your undisciplined vanguard. I don’t oppose vanguarding while revolting. I oppose it after the proletariat is free.
because we are seeing the exact opposite advancing: the class unconscious doesn’t want to learn. They want to stay performing in social media. They want to keep electoralism. They want to pretend there will be justice served after 2028.
You know the first rule of warfare is securing reliable food. Until that is accomplished, fascism will remain the
quo. Need not remind you, it’s been past a generation of fascism.
I haven’t seen mass attacks succeed against the various parties attempting to become a vanguard. ICE fascists and the like brutalizing the people isn’t the same as succeeding in arresting organizers, even if some have been explicitly called out by the capitalist state. As for the vanguard becoming unnecessary after the proletariat is free, I agree, but we likely have different views on how the proletariat as a whole and it’s vanguard reinforce each other, and what the timeframe for the proletariat becoming actually free is.
As for the “politically unconscious,” this is not a permanent fixture. Again, socialism and communism are more popular than ever before in Statesian history. There’s no chance that everyone of them understands what these words mean, but plenty of them do, and this number is increasing. People’s ideas come from their material conditions, and are largely learned through struggle.