I think the problem is you are using an informal, folk definition of “a vegan” while we are talking about the actual moral philosophy called “veganism”.
You just reiterated my point. You are not talking about veganism. I’m not sure you even understand what it is. Veganism is an entire moral philosophy. I am sure there are lots of vegans that were moved to adopt veganism because of factory farming, but factory farming is not why vegans don’t eat meat. Vegans would continue to not consume animals even after factory farming was abolished. Because that’s not what veganism is about. If your friends would start eating meat when factory farming is abolished, that means they are definitionally not vegans. Veganism has an actual definition and if you cannot cite that definition, you are not really qualified to tell vegnas what is and isn’t vegan, are you?
No. You said, “but [animals getting tortured in factory farms] is [the reason vegans don’t eat meat] tho.” That is the whole dispute. That statement is factually incorrect, but you keep doubling down and doubling down. I repeat, your statement is inconsistent with the basic definition of veganism.
Veganism is the reason that vegans don’t eat meat. That is trivially obvious. Veganism doesn’t say it is okay to eat meat if it wasn’t factory farmed. It says do not exploit animals. These are factual claims that you can easily verify by consulting The Vegan Society. I’m sure your friends are against factory farms, but, going way back to the original claim that you are trying to dispute:
but it is tho
It’s not. Even if factory farming did not exist, veganism still opposes animal exploitation and vegans would not consume animal products.
it’s not the only reason
y’all are acting like there’s a single master reason. there can be multiple.
I think the problem is you are using an informal, folk definition of “a vegan” while we are talking about the actual moral philosophy called “veganism”.
and I know vegans who are vegan for exactly that reason, above any other
but keep on arguing the wrong point, I guess
You just reiterated my point. You are not talking about veganism. I’m not sure you even understand what it is. Veganism is an entire moral philosophy. I am sure there are lots of vegans that were moved to adopt veganism because of factory farming, but factory farming is not why vegans don’t eat meat. Vegans would continue to not consume animals even after factory farming was abolished. Because that’s not what veganism is about. If your friends would start eating meat when factory farming is abolished, that means they are definitionally not vegans. Veganism has an actual definition and if you cannot cite that definition, you are not really qualified to tell vegnas what is and isn’t vegan, are you?
correct, I’m not talking about veganism. glad you finally got there. I’m talking about vegans
No. You said, “but [animals getting tortured in factory farms] is [the reason vegans don’t eat meat] tho.” That is the whole dispute. That statement is factually incorrect, but you keep doubling down and doubling down. I repeat, your statement is inconsistent with the basic definition of veganism.
Veganism is the reason that vegans don’t eat meat. That is trivially obvious. Veganism doesn’t say it is okay to eat meat if it wasn’t factory farmed. It says do not exploit animals. These are factual claims that you can easily verify by consulting The Vegan Society. I’m sure your friends are against factory farms, but, going way back to the original claim that you are trying to dispute:
THAT ISN’T THE REASON VEGANS DON’T EAT MEAT.
You know a lot of vegans eating free-range chicken?
I know a good number of people who don’t eat factory farmed meat because of how the animals are treated. some of those people are vegans.
People who would eat meat if the animals were “treated well” are not vegan.
they would not be if they ate meat, yes.