As it stands today, unmanned vehicles (entirely operated by AI with no human intervention) still has shortcomings from accidents or collisions. Also, how would society react to AI being the driver? If there’s no steering wheel on an entirely AI operated car: how can you override its protocols when it becomes rogue? There are “self driving” cars, but how many use that as their main mode of transportation than driving a car?
The technology for it exists, but remains rather niche since there’s still more cars driven by people than cars operated by AI. Do YOU want to replace your own car with an AI operated one or rather keep one meant to be used by humans? As of now, it’s rather rare unless you happened to spot one whilst on the road. Most car dealerships only sell “normal” cars intended for humans, even Teslas still require a human driver.
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I have no car and will not get one. Those things are horrible for the environment and humanity. Driver or not. Cars sucks. Fuck cars.
EDIT: If I have to choose those around me, I want them driven by humans. A human will learn (some) when you yell at them that they are in a bike lane. I trust humans much more than I trust, say, a Tesla, coming from behind while I’m cycling.
A car nearly ran onto me recently while I was stationary at a traffic light. I suspect the driver was battling against his “auto-pilot” system as the car kept trying to drive on me in the bike lane, and the driver kept trying to correct it. It seemed like the computer thought the bike path was a car lane. Fuck the cyclists in it.
Plus, we have proper winters where I live and I’d like to see them self-driving during snowfall and snow storms.
EDIT2: A car is a multi ton vehicle that can easily kill other people. I want humans to have responsibility over this. A death caused by a car can’t be easily dismissed, just because some kid or a deer didn’t follow what the programming intended them to do. There should be less individual cars and more buses, trains, trams, driven by responsible people, professionals, that are accountable. The only sort of acceptable automation/self-driving are trains if they have a dedicated right of way.
Trains
I prefer public transit
less of both; more mass transit
driverless train/bus or human piloted?
Driverless, which mass transit is actually a better fit for our technology anyways, especially at its current level. However, we as a species seem to be very intent on doing the wrong thing at every point possible.
I don’t oppose automation of many of the piloting tasks, but I’d say it’s great to have a human there, too.
That’s understandable, and it really depends on the environment. A street car would benefit from a human driver a lot more than a subway or peoplemover would (which is why so many are automated already)
Which are vehicles…
How did you fail at figuring that out?
is elevator a driverless vehicle 🤔
Yes, but they aren’t all driverless and they are better for the environment.
And the ones that are driverless are way safer than cars.
I’m a good driver, and AI is fucking stupid.
The only way you could possibly convince me to even get into a self driving car would be if my only other option was to get into a self flying helicopter.
Also, just to nitpick, the self driving car can’t “go rogue”, that would imply that it has consciousness, sentience, an understanding of what it’s actually doing, judgement, etc. a bunch of shit it doesn’t have. Self driving cars can and do “malfunction” frequently, but they can’t “go rogue”.
Don’t let the techno fascists’ constant anthropomorphic descriptions of their fuckware chat bots confuse you.
Mainly, that point is about the software a modern electronic car driven by a human is reliant on can get hacked by a hacker (as in them taking full control virtually but in reality they’re controlling someone’s vehicle).
Gotcha, well that’s a different issue (one I believe expands beyond self-driving cars to all new cars that are way more computer integrated than they should be).
Getting hacked is a good reason to be skeptical tho, it’s probably the slickest way to kill someone and make it seem like an accident.
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I’ve never been in anything self-driving, and I’m not sure the tech is fully there. I do expect a future where various vehicles and such are all communicating with each other and able to move more efficiently, but I still think we should reduce the number of single-occupancy boxes on the road.
I’d rather take public transit as my first choice in any case.
I hate self driving cars for 2 reasons:
1, they don’t work well. They’re out there causing accidents.
2, who is in command? Who do we jail when it kills someone?
Well clearly the coorporation for shipping faulty/incomplete softw… Huh what’s this green stack of paper?
Sorry, I lost my train of thought. What were we talking about?
Considering the driverless car doesn’t yet exist, I’ll go with human operated.
I think automatic transmissions were a mistake. There’d be a lot less shit drivers if you had to pass the driving test with a manual.
I passed the driving test with a manual. You do not want me on the road.
Same. I’m a menace to society when behind the wheel.
But if I ever went to US (god forbid) I can pretend I’m all cool and be like ‘I can drive stick’. Which we all know means ‘I’m good at sex’.
i recommend visiting the balkans, your belief may get challenged
All manuals, no drivers?
You sure about that?
By the time you solve all the issues with self driving cars you’ll always end up with some form of train. So I would suggest skipping the extra steps.
This is the real take. The problem with traffic is that it’s elastic and based on a lack of information. If all vehicles accelerate at the same time and don’t have to slowly increase the distance between the next vehicle due to safety / uncertainty - you get a train.
The train has, at least to a lot of people, its own issues. Mainly not bringing people straight to their home or work. Fix that, without being a longer commute than by car, and without being more expensive, and I’m sure a lot of people will be happy to do it.
At least 60% of the world population live and work in dense urban areas where rail can leave them on walking distance of both work and home. 20% more live in places dense enough for urban buses. So 80% of the world population doesn’t need a car.
As for costs, the day drivers are forced to pay the externalities of their driving is the day cars die as a form of regular transport.
Really depends where their job is. I wouldn’t be selling my house or moving apartment just because I got a new job, so I could walk there instead of just driving. Just because someone lives in a city, doesn’t mean their job is right next door.
For the aditional 20% who can use busses, the problem continues to be travel time. Fx. I could take a train, and a bus to get to work. But it’d take about 1 hour. I’m in country with a comparatively great public transportation system, but I can get to work in a car in 15 minutes instead. Sure, if you get anough people to switch to public transportation, maybe you can run more buslines, because there’d be enough people to fill those lines, but you’d need an astounding amount of lines to avoid people having to switch busses, and wasting time by not going a direct route. I have a car because I’m not going to waste 1,5 hours per day on transportation.
The problem is convenience. If the transportation system isn’t at least as convenient as a car, people won’t use it willingly. They’d even pay a premium to avoid it. You can force people by banning cars, but good luck with that. We’ve seen how the french react when a few speedcameras are installed (Spoiler, they burn them).
I want car-free cities, with the exception of transporting goods and work that absolutely requires a car. It’d be utopic! But I just don’t believe we can cater enough to everyone’s needs in any kind of satisfactory way, without going completely authoritarian and removing people’s ability to live and work where they want to.
Modern day AI models? Nononononononono
Less cars, less parking, less roads, less sprawling cities.
Trains, pls.
What do you think of e-scooters?
I support all types of micromobility but personally I prefer eSkate
I wasn’t asked but I have a very passionate opinion on them. So if you’ll allow:
spoiler
The way they’re utilized in Germany fucking sucks. It was advertised as a “last leg of the road” kinda vehicle. And where are they overproporionatly available? In cities.
Where do you have good infrastructure and public transport? In. Fucking. Cities.
Meanwhile people who really really need a way to get around in rural areas remain to be dependent largely on cars. There usually are busses driving to villages, but only few a day.
They use resources such as batteries that I’d rather have used for other e-vehicles. In the beginnig they caused new low pay/exploitative jobs: juicers, i.e. the people who collected the scooters and recharchged them at their home.
And lastly the users. Thet zip through pedestrian zones at ridiculous speeds, drive on busy streets, park them in the middle of the walkway or throw them into nature.
I hate them and they have shown very little upsides imo.
The only thing I can think of was my buddy getting home after we hung out faster at night.
I have intense driving anxiety and only drive around my area willingly, so self-driving cars (or just more trains) would help me a lot.
Until EVERY vehicle is self-driving then no, I’ll drive myself
even Teslas still require a human driver.
That’s because musk is a moron who made Tesla ditch LIDAR for optical sensors.
Waymo taxis are fully autonomous and are already safer than humans.
Humans are absolutely horrible at driving. It’s a major cause of death. Computers don’t get tired, distracted, or intoxicated.
Or angry for no apparent reason.
There is no amount of money that could persuade me to be transported by one of musks deathmobiles.
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